Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

Yes I've heard of cases like that. I don't know why either, I think maybe like you said, it's to have power and control over a woman and again like you said the perp is bound to be messed up and have issues. Psychopaths do not understand the pain they are causing their victims, they have no empathy at all.
It was only relatively recent that the law came out for women who are raped by their husbands, it didn't use to be illegal.

I gave them both the benefit of a doubt for awhile but they continued to make it obvious they think women are evil and falsely accuse men of rape just to harm them. It's disgusting.

I'm with you about the DNA. Juries today, a lot of which has to do with these crime shows about forensic evidence, want that proof. It's not all that easy for juries and if they don't have definable proof of a rape they aren't likely to just take it as a he said/she said. Many men have been released from prison for being wrongly convicted of rape but instead of being grateful and glad we have the technology to do that Bill and Hawkeye would rather complain that anyone had been wrongly convicted at all.

Too bad they don't feel the same way about women and children, oh and even animals, being raped.

Like I said Bill why dont you start a thread on false rape allegations, again Bill it has nothing to do with this thread. It is sad that some women do this and makes it harder for real cases to be heard and these women should be punished. I don't understand the point you're trying to make but I get the impression you are trying to justify yourself. Hint: real men protect women not guffaw and bring up crap that women have no rights or are second class citizens.

That woman had supported two tens years old children being drag into an adult court system for rape on the word of such a poorly interviewed eight years old she ended up admitting she told falsehoods on the stand so as not to be punish by her mother.

Then Firefly stated that she still think that the tens years old boys penetrated the little girl in some manner even those there was zero evidence of any kind that the girl was harm.

A brain dead UK jury then found them guilt of attempted rapes of all things for the crime of playing doctor with the little girl.

Glitterbag, I would not give bill or hawk the benefit of the doubt because I've had a discussion with them before about why I left my job and they made me very angry. I understand them to be down on women. I left my job because a man there made me very uncomfortable by staring at my crotch, Bill and Hawk said in not so many words that there is nothing wrong with that and I was in the wrong, I cannot tell you how angry that made me, so no Glitterbag I do not give these two clods the benefit of the doubt, I know exactly where they're coming from and it aint nice if your woman. Thank god not all men are like this. Thank god.

Not one person here had ever claimed that 40 percent of those in prison are innocent of rape not one person here.

The studies posted on this thread indicated that anywhere from 25 percents to fifty percents of women who file charges of rape with the police concerning non-stranger rapes are lying.

That is not the same thing as being convicted or serving time or whatever.

That doesn't make firefly a man hater, so give me proper evidence, you cant coz there aint none so stop falsely accusing her you're only making yourself look like a women hating idiot.

Amazing where do you get that from my postings?

I consider them fully adults with adult rights and adult responsibilities.

Look, idiot, we are discussing rapists in this thread. We want all reports of rapes investigated. We want rape kits tested. We want rapists charged and convicted.

If "rapists" means "all men" in your narrow little mind, that is your problem not mine.

On the other hand, you hold extremely sexist and demeaning views of women, and you insult female posters in this thread, often in sexual terms. You clearly do not not like or respect women. That is also your problem and not mine.

And, yes, BillRM, if our military men sexually assault females in our military, I want to see them charged and punished. And if they sexually assault females in the civilian population, I want to see them charged and punished. And you would want those things too if you had any real respect for our military. It is rather appalling that you would want to turn a blind eye to crimes committed by those who wear the uniform of the United States. That is not patriotism, or pride, it is more of your hostility toward women.

You are like an annoying fly that is buzzing around the room. Small and insignificant, but an irritant. That you continue to seek crumbs of attention from us, even in the form of insults or derision, is really very pathetic. You really should get a hobby, or buy a dog. Dogs are great, they will accept you, no matter how dumb or obnoxious you are--or at least they'll keep their opinions about you to themselves. But, be sure you get a male dog. A female might be too smart for you.




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You said that I was in the wrong not the man staring at my crotch in other words Bill put up and shut up, that is where I got it from, you blatantly said that the man had every right to do this and I should be grateful that he finds me attractive. That is not only disgusting but is basically saying I have no rights, what does that make you, I don't know where to begin so many spring to mind.

Lol, good post.

Do date rapes involving drugs occur often Firefly?

You might find it amusing to research the first case of rape file on a husband sharing a bed with his wife at the time of the "crime" in the US.

A few millions dollars of taxpayer money was spend to convict this evil doer as this was a very high profile case indeed.

Sadly the jury let him go and jokes of jokes the wife and “rape victim” that the state just spend all those funds to get justice for went back to her husband.

Your last sentence doesn't make sense and I'm sorry I'm not grasping your point entirely, care to elaborate?

Here is some information on spousal rape. I have been unable to find the "case" in which Bill has alluded to, which I am not in the least surprised he didn't post a thing to back it up.

http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32701

Hawkeye position was such mine was not however.

I did write about the issue of looking at women in the work place in some details with special note on how hard it is not for me to look at women who come into the work place showing a lot of breast cleavay. .

glitterbag, you are being overly charitable and generous toward those two. Neither of them really appears to like or respect women. They see women as overly powerful and threatening to men--hence the need to stomp us down and keep us in our place.

Hawkeye, in particular, thinks of all sexual relationships in terms of power and dominance on his part. He has said "conquest" is the best part of sex for him, and he genuinely believes that all women harbor a desire to be "ravished" (i.e. raped). He rants incessantly about "feminists" passing "anti-sex rape laws", and he feels that these laws should be changed, presumably to legalize some types of rape. He feels rapists are "sick" rather than criminals, and he feels they need mental health treatment rather than jail time. In real life, Hawkeye enjoys the BDSM sex scene, where, ostensibly, he can act out the power and dominance roles he feels are essential to his sense of "masculinity".

BillRM is obsessed with the sole issue of false rape accusations. This, of course, bolsters his basic view that women are malicious, deceitful, and out to harm men. He seems to view all women who have posted in this thread as "man-haters", although he is particularly fixated on me in that regard. He cannot understand that, when we discuss rapists, we are not talking about all men, or even men in general. He would probably tell you that when that man groped you under the table, you should have been flattered that he found you attractive. That's about his depth of understanding of the topic.

Both of these Bozos have denied the problem of rape, and offered rape apologist explanations, and spouted their views about women in highly sexist terms. Truthfully, it's been enlightening just listening to both of them. It's made me realize the sort of attitudes that create a climate for rape, and allows rapists to rape with impunity. If people like that wind up in law enforcement, or on juries, no wonder the conviction rate for rape is so low.

But, it was sweet of you to give them the benefit of the doubt, even if neither of them deserve it. If you had slogged through this entire thread listening to them, you would have an even better idea of what I mean.

Sorry dear heart I do not have library of links on hand of everything I had read on the net but if you question it I will cheerfully find it for you.

Actually, from the reading I've done for this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the date rape drug problem may be slightly exaggerated or over-publicized. One issue is that, when the woman goes for a medical exam after being raped, they often don't do blood work to look for drugs, so they really lack good medical evidence on the extent of the problem. They have mainly the woman's subjective statement that she thinks she was drugged, but without blood work, that can identify a specific drug in her system, a lot of the reports remain speculative. And because some women do drink, and voluntarily use recreational drugs and pills, prior to being raped, the whole issue of whether she was slipped a date rape drug can get very murky. I don't doubt that some women are slipped date rape drugs, but it's very difficult to determine the extent of the problem

I feel they should do blood work, along with a rape kit, for any woman who thinks she might have been drugged. And women should be very careful about what they drink and about watching their drinks.

But the primary date rape drug appears to be alcohol. The man may ply the woman with booze, but she drinks it. And that lessens her inhibitions, and resistance, and judgment, and that makes her more vulnerable--which is just what the rapist wants in a date rape situation.

Thanks for the link Arella. Good article.

It doesn't look good in some states regarding the laws surrounding spousal rape. Until the 1970's marriage was a defense for rape. I do wonder why there are there are certain requirements such as the rape has to be reported within a certain time? What if it meant the difference in getting a conviction for a rapist, it doesn't make sense. Why does one requirement have to be the rapist used force, what difference does it make? I just don't understand these exemptions and what purpose they serve. And lastly the differences in exemptions between spousal rape and non-spousal rape, the latter is without consent and the former has to use force. Why are these exemptions made only to make it even more difficult to get a conviction? Why are spousal rape exemptions not the same as non-spousal exemptions?

The article finishes saying that some states might want to consider making the exemptions of spousal rape the same as sexual assault, I agree as I think failure to do so only hinders or even loses a conviction, (which means nine times out of ten he'll go on to rape another innocent victim-dangerous). Laws and such the like should be designed to protect women. Progress is slow but hopefully we are getting there. But to think that a man could rape his wife and get away with it sounds horrific and barbaric. Rape didn't happen in marriage, why the hell not?

I didn't say it was wrong to look at women, dont be daft, what i said was he made me feel uncomfortable by staring at my crotch, do you see the difference? No you may not have said the same as hawk but I do remember you chiding me and you certainly weren't supportive, empathetic or understanding so that makes you just as bad as Hawkeye.