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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 09:31 am
@firefly,
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If the best you can do is needle women on a thread about rape, just to get a few crumbs of attention, mainly in the form of insults and derision, you are one sorry mess.


Strange, I view it as doing my civil duty to stop women like you from being able to spread false informations and half truths unchallenged.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 10:10 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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That is your view, since no one posting in this thread has implied that. Can't you distinguish between men who rape and those who don't


Sorry dear you are the one who had stated because men are the ones who rape more it is men responsibility to deal with the problem. That sound like blaming all men at least indirectly to me.


ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT BLOODY DENSE???????????? IF THE MEN ARE DOING IT THEN IT IS THEIR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So, if all men want to rape, and most women will lie about being raped, you really don't think much of men or women, do you? You're just a miserable, angry old man without much regard for anyone.


Guess we'll have to include no smoking posters? No jaywalking? It's called trying to prevent crimes, etc., being informed, aware, etc.

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Pretending that we do not have a problem with false rapes reports is not helpful to any one and that is you clear desire.


NOT ONE PERSON HAS SAID THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM. WE ALL HAVE SAID IT IS WRONG FOR A WOMAN TO DO AND SHE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED!!!!!!!

Ladies, please, if I respond to any of these guys again SHOOT ME! SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!! Because Brooke is right. We are doing nothing but giving them attention and actually deflecting from the topic we want to talk about. I apologize for my part in that.


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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 10:12 am
Laughing I got so ticked at him I posted that thing about the posters under the wrong quote! Sheesh! Stick a fork in me cuz I am soooooooooooooo done! : Laughing Laughing Laughing
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 11:58 am
@BillRM,
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Strange, I view it as doing my civil duty to stop women like you from being able to spread false informations and half truths unchallenged.


The hell you are doing your "civic duty". You spew mainly sexist crap which is anti-female. You neither like nor trust women.

THE TRUTH IS THAT RAPE HAPPENS, ON A DAILY BASIS, ALL OVER THE GLOBE, TO FEMALES OF ALL AGES, AND IT IS DONE BY STRANGERS AS WELL AS ACQUAINTANCES, FRIENDS, RELATIVES, AND DATES. AND MOST RAPISTS ARE NOT CAUGHT, OR CHARGED, OR CONVICTED.

THAT IS THE TRUTH!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__HQWKX8g3_0/SCXwVjWkzrI/AAAAAAAAAfg/WmEI3Z2otxE/s400/StopRape.jpg
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 12:01 pm
If it were not for the will to live and the courage of this ten-year old girl (at the time) Tommy Lynn Sells may have gone on for years raping and murdering. He killed men, women, and children-22 in all. During his confession you can see how little remorse he felt. You can watch a 48 Hours Mystery about it at this link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6836097n&tag=contentMain;contentAux

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http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/tommy_sells/index.html

Tommy Lynn Sells
By David Krajicek

The Last Murder

At 4 a.m. on December 31, 1999, 20 hours before the turn of the millennium, a car rolled to a muted stop in the Guajia Bay subdivision, west of Del Rio, Texas.

A bearded man with a mullet haircut got out and padded quietly toward a double-wide trailer, home of Terry and Crystal Harris and their kids. He whispered reassurance to a caged pet Rottweiler in the backyard and approached the pen to allow the animal a whiff of his scent.

The man used the blade he was carrying, a 12-inch boning knife, to try to trip the lock on the back door. That failed, and so did an attempt to enter the home through a rear window that held an air conditioner.

He walked around to an open window on the front of the house. He tipped over a metal tub to use as a step, removed a screen and hoisted himself up and in.

The man found himself in the bedroom of Justin Harris, 14, who was blind. The boy was roused awake, but he thought the noise was his siblings horsing around.

Justin called out, "Will y'all stop coming into my room!"

The man moved out of Justin's room to the next bedroom. He opened the door and flicked a flame to his cigarette lighter. There slept a Harris family friend, Marque Surles, 7. In the master bedroom, he flicked his lighter again and found Crystal Harris asleep with her daughter Lori, 12.

Finally, in the fourth bedroom he found what he was looking for.

In the bottom rack of a bunk bed lay Kaylene "Katy" Harris, 13.

The man lay down beside the girl and nudged her awake.

She looked at him sleepily and said, "What are you doing here?"

The man held a hand over her mouth and menaced Katy with the knife.

He drew the blade down her body and deftly sliced off her shorts, panties and bra, as if he'd done that sort of thing before.

When the man began fondling her, Katy wiggled free, stood up and screamed, "Go get mama!"

Only then did the intruder realize that a second girl, Krystal Surles, 10 years old and 80 pounds, was asleep on the top bunk.

The man poked his knife at Katy and turned on the bedroom light. Seeing blood, the girl said, "You cut me!"

The intruder moved in behind Katy.

Krystal Surles, survivor"He had his hand over her mouth," Krystal Surles would later say. "She was struggling. She told me with her eyes to stay there and not move, and so I didn't."

As Krystal watched, the man dragged the blade of his knife across Katy's throat once, and then repeated the motion a second time.

"She just fell," said Krystal. "And then she started making really bad noises, like she was gagging for air but couldn't get any because of the blood."

The man continued his knife work after Katy collapsed. A coroner would catalogue 16 stab wounds, three of which went all the way through her body, in addition to the two gashes to the throat.

The intruder moved toward Krystal Surles.

"I told him, 'I'll be quiet. I promise. I won't say anything. It's Katy making the noise,'" she would later say.

But the intruder showed no mercy.

"He reached over and cut my throat," she said. "I just lay there and pretended I was dead. If he knew I was alive, he would come back and kill me for sure."

The assailant switched off the light and walked out, leaving through the front door. After a minute, Krystal heard a car start and drive off. She put a hand to her throat and ran outdoors. Assuming that everyone in the house had been killed, she made her way to a neighbor's house a quarter-mile away.

There, retiree Herb Betz was up early to watch TV coverage of the arrival of the millennium in Australia. He heard a door knock and peered through the peephole. There stood Krystal Surles in a T-shirt, boxer shorts and socks. She was awash in blood.

The child was unable to speak. The knife had severed her windpipe and grazed the sheathing of her carotid artery. She had come within a millimeter of Katy Harris' fate.

"Her little eyes were saying to me, 'Help me,'" Betz told Texas journalist John MacCormack.

Betz dialed 911. As she lay waiting for help, Krystal asked for writing instruments, and she penned three brief notes:

•"The Harrises are hurt."
•"Tell them to hurry."
•"Will I live?"

Betz said, "I kissed her on the forehead and told her several times she'd be all right. I didn't believe it. I thought she'd die on my kitchen floor."

Medical rescuers found the girl in shock, her body convulsing.

She was raced to a Del Rio hospital, and then flown by helicopter to University Hospital in San Antonio, where surgeons worked for hours to repair the damage done by the five-inch cut across her throat.

Back at the Guajia Bay subdivision, rescuers found Katy Harris dead, although the others in the house were unharmed.

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Caroline
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 12:05 pm
@firefly,
I don't know why you bother with hawk and bill they obviously hate women.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 12:20 pm
@Caroline,
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I don't know why you bother with hawk and bill they obviously hate women.
presumably it must be because we dont say "yes Ma'am" every time a woman wants something. Some men still have the balls to say no to a woman.....but I understand in this day and age how this reads as hate to you.

Real women respect a man who says what he means and means what he says....toy soldiers get annoying to a real woman.
Caroline
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 12:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
You presume wrong, it's because of your obvious lack of respect for women, you don't give a **** about women being raped how disgusting you are. I bet you hate them because they make you feel inferior. Not hard.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 12:36 pm
@Caroline,
People standing up for men's rights and desiring to fix sex law is not a legitimate reason for feeling disrespected. You as a woman should want men to be treated fairly, and you should want sex law to be rational and to be fair and to work to promote the values of our nation.

Men are well familiar with women who take anything that is not exactly what they want to hear as an affront, and you tarring Bill and I is more of the same. The correct response to women like you is "get over it", because this stuff has to get fixed.
Caroline
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 12:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
But the thread isn't about women making false allegations, it's about can a woman be asked to be raped. I don't know why you keep on about false allegations, it's almost like your making excuses. Why don't you start a thread about false rape claims as you seem so bothered about it but I can't help notice hawkwye your lack of empathy for rape victims and your lack of concern, it's as if this subject, women getting raped does not bother you at all, you do hate women and my guess is it's because you've had bad experiences with women but your obvious lack of empathy for the issue helps no one and makes yourself look like a women hating shallow jerk.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 12:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
If you want to stand up for men's rights and a change in the sex laws, go right ahead and do that in your own thread dedicated to those topics.

If you and BillRM are genuinely concerned about such issues, go post your own thread where they can be properly addressed.

We are not going to let this thread, and our topic, be derailed or hijacked by either of you, because we really care about this issue. If you really care about your issues, go start your own thread.
Caroline
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 01:11 pm
@firefly,
I agree with Firefly, you both obviously dont care about this important issue which in my opinion makes you horrible men.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 01:12 pm
@firefly,
Amen firefly! I had no idea there were so many different drugs used in rapes. I guess I should not be surprised but I was rather shocked it is quite a list.

Welcome to the thread, Caroline. We are going to carry on with this topic no matter what 'THOSE TWO' do.
Caroline
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 01:14 pm
@Arella Mae,
Thanks for the welcome Arella Mae, (what a nice name). I think it's awful that a man has to drug a woman, for what? It's not sex, it's a very harmful violation and the laws should be designed to protect women and children not blame the bloody victim. jeez
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 01:26 pm
@firefly,
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THE TRUTH IS THAT RAPE HAPPENS, ON A DAILY BASIS, ALL OVER THE GLOBE, TO FEMALES OF ALL AGES, AND IT IS DONE BY STRANGERS AS WELL AS ACQUAINTANCES, FRIENDS, RELATIVES, AND DATES. AND MOST RAPISTS ARE NOT CAUGHT, OR CHARGED, OR CONVICTED
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Hundred percent true but had seen nothing you had suggested that will do anything but make th situation worst and increased the distrust between men and women.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 01:30 pm
@Caroline,
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I don't know why you bother with hawk and bill they obviously hate women.


Strange I am under the the strong impression it was Firefly who hate men as a class and all she with to do is attack our men even our military men who placed their bodies between her and the evil in the world
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 01:37 pm
@Caroline,
The worst case I have read about so far is definitely Andrew Luster. He didn't just drug them so they would be pliable to his mechanisations, he drugged them to the point of they might has well have been dead. I don't understand the psychopathy of that at all.

A man must surely have terrible self-esteem issues if he feels the need to conquer and rape a woman or a child. It's such a brutal crime in so many ways. Thank God most of society is becoming more aware of the problem and are trying to take steps to help curb the violence.

Oh and thanx for the compliment about my ID. My friend, Snood on A2K, helped pick it out! Actually, he's the one that came up with the name and I loved it!
Caroline
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 01:40 pm
@BillRM,
You don't honestly believe that Firefly hates men and it's not you two who hate women. Good grief man I've read your posts, you're only fooling yourself. I really respect Firefly and she's smart, something no doubt you find hard to deal with. No, you have no regard for women and their feelings and you demonstrated that very clearly, you know as a man you suck. You offer no support nor understanding for women victims of sex crimes, to me that makes you an animal.

Calling firefly a man hater is your pathetic attempt to put women in there place. You've made it clear to me that you see women as second class citizens and are not equal to men but what really disgusts me about you is that according to you and hawk, I have no rights, that makes me angry and makes you look meaningless and nothing. Be very careful not to behave like this in front of women because I can assure you will never have a decent woman in your life.

Boy thanks for the support guys but you can go back down there with the rest of the animals.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 01:46 pm
@Caroline,
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I don't know why you keep on about false allegations, it's almost like your making excuses. Why don't you start a thread about false rape claims as you seem so bothered about it but I can't help notice hawkwye your lack of empathy for rape victims and your lack of concern, it's as if this subject, women getting raped does not bother you at all, you do hate women and my guess is it's because you've had bad experiences with women but your obvious lack of empathy for the issue helps no one and makes yourself look like a women hating shallow jerk.


Tell me Caroline how do you address finding and bringing rapists to justice and disregarded the police and the justice system now needing to dig through 40 percents or so of unfounded charges just to get to the real rapes cases?

The best friends of rapists are now women who wish to get even with a ex-boyfriend or ex-husband or explain to her parents how she ended up getting pregnancy and help tied up police and court resources.

Add to that women who wish to allow rape charges to be place in the cases of next morning regrets over consensual sex if there was any drinking at all being done and women including some on this thread are the best friends of the rapists even if they do not know it.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 01:46 pm
Is it possible the reason Bill and Hawk are in denial about rape is because they were raised to believe that it is a terrible crime and something that they would never do? I have found men who are so distressed over the idea of men taking liberties because they themselves find it repugnant? I know plenty of men who would never dream of forcing themselves on a woman let alone a child.

I would like to give them the benefit of doubt and assume they have been over-influenced by cases in which women have indeed cried rape when it never happened or was consensual. It should be noted, however, that women really get pissed off at other women who pretend to be victims for the obvious reason. One false allegation prevents so many other women from coming forward, and unfairly stimatizes an innocent man.

There are still a few troubling issues, the first that comes to mind is hawk calling the incident that I revealed about a junior male co-worker sticking his hand up my skirt as "touchy feely". My idea of touchy feely is when someone starts rubbing your neck because they think you need to relax or people hugging or patting a little too frequently because they have boundry issues. Think of President Merkle's reaction when President Bush started rubbing her shoulders during that meeting. She wasn't happy and she handled it.

Even though my reaction to being touched under a table by a young man I barely knew was to panic and not to report it; doesn't mean I did the right thing. I made my choice due to personal embarrassment. I was floored that he would assume it was ok to do and frankly didn't want the big hoopla that erupts when things like this are brought to upper managements' attention.

As Paul Harvey used to say "Now here is the rest of the story" (I was never a fan of Paul Harvey) This young man became rather notorious for taking liberties. Word of this kind of behaviour is very troubling to managers because they don't want to get involved in potential litigation. Everybody loses. He didn't last very long with our Agency. He saw the writing on the wall and knew his behaviour had limited his opportunity for advancement. As far as I know he still was offended that his advances were not appreciated, and I don't know where he is anymore.

Lastly, the idea that 50% of men doing time for rape they didn't commit would be laughable if some people didn't actually believe it. DNA (anybody else besides me ever hear of it) has become a valuable tool and if you don't have it, it is impossible to get a conviction. I don't think DNA works against men, I think it clears their names.

 

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