@Intrepid,
Quote:As I said, not all men want the kind of women that you are attracted to in the BDSM world
Even in the BDSM world we see this played out. Ok, swinging is not BDSM but it is a bit close. What I have found is that very often the man is all concerned that his woman be treated with kid gloves, that respect is always shown. But when things get going the woman very often (as in most of the time) responds well when things go the other way. The respect and dignity want comes from the men, not the women.
I believe in separating out what men want and what men think that women want. My goal is to please my woman, I only care about what she wants.
This is easy enough for men to do, and I encourage doing it.
@glitterbag,
Quote:Ask any woman who has ever risked complaining about unwanted attention (including groping and touching) and see what kind of questions the authorities ask...Like is he your boyfriend, did you act seductively, what were you wearing????? It's nuts.
Hell why ask any questions at all just throw any man into prison at the whim of any woman no investigation or questions needed at all.
@glitterbag,
Quote: Too many rapes go unreported because both male and female victims are unwilling to put themselves thru the ordeal.
They do a cost/benefit analysis and decide which way to go. If you want more rapes reported then offer victims a better deal. A lot of the time this will be that you must be willing to hold off on your desire for vengeance, for you to not destroy the life of the rapist. And there is the whole ordeal caused by these cases being in the legal system, which is a adversarial process and a time consuming one. It would be a lot more beneficial to victims if these problems were worked out in the public health system instead, except when the violation was extreme, defined as meets the definition of rape that we had a few decades back.
@Arella Mae,
Quote:IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A RAPIST AND HE DID IT TO HIMSELF!So much for being responsible for ourselves, eh? Not only can you not stick to a topic but you cannot decide what your stance is.
Sure the guy did not do a sobriety/drug test to see if the woman hell yes let get busy was a legal consent or not.
If you wish to redefine rape away from force or threat of force or the drugging of a woman behind her back you open up all kinds of nonsense.
Quote:Yet while Meana minimized the role of relationships in stoking desire, she didn’t dispense with the sexual relevance, for women, of being cared for and protected. “What women want is a real dilemma,” she said. Earlier, she showed me, as a joke, a photograph of two control panels, one representing the workings of male desire, the second, female, the first with only a simple on-off switch, the second with countless knobs. “Women want to be thrown up against a wall but not truly endangered. Women want a caveman and caring. If I had to pick an actor who embodies all the qualities, all the contradictions, it would be Denzel Washington. He communicates that kind of power and that he is a good man.”
After our discussion of the alley encounter, we talked about erotic — as opposed to aversive — fantasies of rape. According to an analysis of relevant studies published last year in The Journal of Sex Research, an analysis that defines rape as involving “the use of physical force, threat of force, or incapacitation through, for example, sleep or intoxication, to coerce a woman into sexual activity against her will,” between one-third and more than one-half of women have entertained such fantasies, often during intercourse, with at least 1 in 10 women fantasizing about sexual assault at least once per month in a pleasurable way.
The appeal is, above all, paradoxical, Meana pointed out: rape means having no control, while fantasy is a domain manipulated by the self. She stressed the vast difference between the pleasures of the imagined and the terrors of the real. “I hate the term ‘rape fantasies,’ ” she went on. “They’re really fantasies of submission.” She spoke about the thrill of being wanted so much that the aggressor is willing to overpower, to take. “But ‘aggression,’ ‘dominance,’ I have to find better words. ‘Submission’ isn’t even a good word” — it didn’t reflect the woman’s imagining of an ultimately willing surrender.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=7&_r=1
This truth the feminists can't handle. They need reality to change, and they are willing to try to force change.
Quote:Why women really do love self-obsessed psychopaths
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Thursday, 19 June 2008
Bad boys, it seems, really do get all the girls. Women might claim they want caring, thoughtful types but scientists have discovered what they really want – self-obsessed, lying psychopaths.
A study has found that men with the "dark triad" of traits – narcissism, thrill- seeking and deceitfulness – are likely to have a larger number of sexual affairs
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.The dark triad approach is one way of maximising a man's reproductive potential by having sex with many females, while not bothering to stick around to help with the children. "The strategy seems to have worked. We still have these traits," Dr Jonason said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/why-women-really-do-love-selfobsessed-psychopaths-850007.html
And it still works, which is why men still do it. Feminist bitching changes nothing.
@Arella Mae,
Science shows that women want as part of sex coercion, control and the general exercise of power. So long as the feminists insist that all use of power in sexual and intimate relationship should be illegal they are in fact working against the best interests of most women, as well as men.
Science does not lie. Science does not care about morality, it only cares about what is.
@Arella Mae,
Quote:WOMEN HATING MEN LIKE YOU
No, I love women. I love women enough to want to love a lot of women, and I love them enough to give them what they want instead of what people like you tell me they should want. I affirm rather than deny the wants, needs and desires of the women that I am with. I empower women to seek what they want and I consider it my duty to try to help them get what they want.
I embody the original spirit of feminism by the very act of ignoring people like you.
Dear billblowhard, I guess I haven't been doing my part to oppress men, as it seems all the other women you know have been. I don't know if I should laugh or cry. So I reread all of your apologies for men who can't keep their hands or their nether regions to themselves and I think I may have had an epiphany. It's either an epiphany or I allowed myself to be brainwashed listening to all these poor victimized men used and abused by ungrateful women.
So I am going to share my story of shame. I worked for DOD for 32 years and most of my career women comprised only a fraction of the workforce. So here is my confession: I was attending a lunchtime farewell for a fellow office mate getting ready to retire. It was a huge group, at least for the venue. We sat hunched together on these big bench like booths. This is the part of the story that I am ashamed of....while we were all laughing and talking, suddenly I felt a hand on my leg that quickly ran up under my skirt. My reaction was very sexist, I froze...and when I looked at the man who owned the hand (because at this point I am almost in a panic) he smiled and moved his hand up higher. I can't believe how silly I was, but instead of thanking him for the attention, I stood straight up and croaked "I have to hit the ladies room". So now I am near the ladies room, befuddled by all the feminist crap about respecting yourself and I just knew I couldn't go back to the table. I know, I know I was extremely rude to the sensitive man who only wanted to stick his hand up my skirt, but I was not expecting the attention.
In hindsight, to my great regret, when one of my male co-workers noticed me looking a little frayed around the edges I blurted out I didn't want to go back but didn't know what to do (seriously at this point I was as emotional as an 11 year old) Bob thought for a second and said "don't worry, I'll fix it and no one has to know". To my great shame, I was grateful because Bob cheerfully sat down where I had been sitting and that brought the unplanned GYN exam to an end. I didn't have to report the offender, I really didn't want to I was embarrassed even though I should have been flattered in BillRM"s world.
Bob and I never spoke about it and I'm pretty sure he didn't tell the other men because someone would have teased me about it.
So now that I have had time to think about the wisdom of BillRM's denigration and invalidation of women, I realize I should have been proud to have been singled out for such attention by a man I barely knew. I'm sure Bill would expect his mother, sister or daughter to rightfully allow strange men to feel them up. So what if I was uncomfortable, or was married or was a mother....when someone goes out of their way to say "wow, I think you are hot" or "wow, you just happen to be here and I'm having an urge" I should say thank you, thank you so much for noticing I'm here...it is such an honor.
So bill, did I get the whole knuckledragger, caveman mysoginist theory right???? I would be crushed if I ever caused another male so much consternation to deny him his Godgiven right to oppress me.
@glitterbag,
Unfortunately, Bill and Hawkeye will not understand what you wrote.
As for the rest of us. We can empathize with you and appreciate your words.
@glitterbag,
With as old as you are still the worst that has ever happened to you is a little touchy-feelly? Which you handled?? Am I supposed to feel sorry for you now?
This is no different than a woman grabbing a guys joint, it is not very uncommon, and it is no big deal.
@Arella Mae,
Spendius's comment in the Elin Nordegren thread about how the a2k blowhards flee from science comes to mind when I read your whinny post. You may not like the truth, but putting your head in the sand will not make it go away.
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
With as old as you are still the worst that has ever happened to you is a little touchy-feelly? Which you handled?? Am I supposed to feel sorry for you now?
This is no different that a woman grabbing a guys joint, it is not very uncommon, and it is no big deal.
I doubt that anybody wants or welcomes your pity.
Why on earth would any woman grab a man's marijuana cigarette? I am sure she would be capable of getting her own.
@Arella Mae,
There are lots of things Hawkeye doesn't answer. He has proven himself to be not overly bright and a lot of questions are too hard for him or he cannot bluff an answer.
Sorry Hawk, I keep forgetting the play ground rules which some
folks haven't been able to shake. I wouldn't exactly say having a relative stranger feel compelled to slide his hand up in my private parts was "touchy feely" and, **** no, that was not anywhere near the worst thing that has ever happened to me. Where ever you got the idea I wanted pity from YOU, I'm frankly puzzeled. This was just an example of something that happened to me when I was completely off my guard. You remember, the stupid idea that women have that if they work with a man or have a man as a neighbor, that's some sort of safeguard. Oh bite me, of course you don't, aren't you the same wag who suggests he is part of the swinging set???? I should have known.
I don't know how many readers here have inadvertantly been invited to a party where folks "swing" but I remember vividly the party I went to with the brother of my Aunt's boyfriend. Often when people say "swinger" you assume a group of fabulous folks are converging somewhere to indulge in outrageous behaviour that ordinary folks cannot imagine. OK, got that image in your head, now keep it there because that's the only place it actually happens. The people who attend these gatherings are collectively a sad lot. There are the folks that don't fit in anywhere else. From what I could tell, the women were mostly dumpy and plain but willing, and the guys were mainly the poor souls who most women wouldn't consider, but luckily the dumpy plain girls were not too picky. Fortunately for me, I had my car.
I guess the moral of the story is don't judge a book by it's cover, and don't buy into some blowhards stupid fixation on rape and the innocent perpetrators of said rape. I'm guessing Hawk is not much older than 25 and really men don't become interesting until they are at least 40.
