Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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am learning a lot from what is being posted here, excluding you and Bill because everytime I see false accusation I don't read any further because it is not the topic of the thread.
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Head in the old sand so you only read what you wish to read, you are learning nothing but seem to be enjoying the meal of bullshit that Firefly is servicing up.

If my head is in the sand then I shudder to think where yours is located. THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT RAPE! You can't even grasp the topic of the thread and you think my head is in the sand? You seem to be having great difficulty grasping the simple concept of "sticking to a topic."

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@Intrepid,

I was wondering about something. I haven't heard much about Karla Holmolka lately? I heard she was out of prison and living there in Canada somewhere. I would definitely say Canada became safer when she and that monster she married were convicted and put away.

If you are unaware of this raping and murdering duo, here is a link to their story:

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html

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@Arella Mae,

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THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT RAPE! You

And you think for a second that on such a thread you can pretend that a large fraction of rapes never happen is not a fact?

That such silliness that one in seven husbands are wife rapists is not going to be challenge.

That firefly can put out one bit on nonsense after another and not be challenge?

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

I was wondering about something. I haven't heard much about Karla Holmolka lately? I heard she was out of prison and living there in Canada somewhere. I would definitely say Canada became safer when she and that monster she married were convicted and put away.

She got out of prison about 5 years ago. The last I heard, she left Canada. She is reportedly living somewhere in the Caribbean. He will never get out.

Actually, they had very little effect on the safety of Canada. Their escapades were limited to a small area. However, the horrendous nature of what they did affected the whole country. I had heard things through someone who had police connections that are far worse than what the media reported.

I wouldn't doubt that Hawkeye and Bill would find little wrong with what that couple did and would go as far as to defend it.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT RAPE! You

And you think for a second that on such a thread you can pretend that a large fraction of rapes never happen?

Not one of us has ever denied false rape charges do happen and that THEY ARE WRONG AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED! You continually act like we all think it's okay BECAUSE WE ARE STICKING TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD!

If the topic of a thread is horses, we aren't going to be talking about elephants. If the topic of a thread is different kinds of alcohol, we aren't going to be talking about abstinence. If the topic of the thread is apples, we aren't going to be talking about watermelons. I can't make it anymore simple for you Bill.

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@Arella Mae,

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Not one of us has ever denied false rape charges do happen and that THEY ARE WRONG AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED! You continually act like we all think it's okay BECAUSE WE ARE STICKING TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD!

Sorry you do not control the postings on this thread and once more we do have one coin and two sides and you can not address the problem until you understand all aspects of the problem.

Nonsense such as one in 7 husbands are wife rapists is not helpful either.

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@Intrepid,

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don't know if Canadian women are more aware, but many are self confident

I get a feeling that they are more self confident and generally more empowered in this country. Just my observation from the ones I've met. It might be a cultural thing. I don't know.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

I was wondering about something. I haven't heard much about Karla Holmolka lately? I heard she was out of prison and living there in Canada somewhere. I would definitely say Canada became safer when she and that monster she married were convicted and put away.

She got out of prison about 5 years ago. The last I heard, she left Canada. She is reportedly living somewhere in the Caribbean. He will never get out.

Actually, they had very little effect on the safety of Canada. Their escapades were limited to a small area. However, the horrendous nature of what they did affected the whole country. I had heard things through someone who had police connections that are far worse than what the media reported.

I wouldn't doubt that Hawkeye and Bill would find little wrong with what that couple did and would go as far as to defend it.

I just did a quick internet search and it seems she has a child now. I read a few books about them and yes, much of the truth was left out of the media due to its horrific nature. I dare say that Paul Bernardo and Karla Holmolka were on the same scale as Fred and Rosemary West. They may not have killed as many as Fred and Rosemary but I believe they would have if they had not been caught.

I did some research and I am shocked at how many couples there are that were duos concerning rapes and rapes and murders. It is difficult enough believing a man could do such a thing to a woman but that a woman could be a part of it is beyond comprehension other than to say they are pure evil IMO.

I still do not understand how her plea deal of 12 years could not have been made null and void once they saw the video and her extent of participation and lies about it. I had always thought if a person lies then the plea deal is off.

One thing is for sure, looking at Karla and Paul definitely wakes you up to "well, they didn't look like monsters." Unfortunately, the most horrible of criminals look like the people next door and that's why they are able to continue in their crimes for so long.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Not one of us has ever denied false rape charges do happen and that THEY ARE WRONG AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED! You continually act like we all think it's okay BECAUSE WE ARE STICKING TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD!

Sorry you do not control the postings on this thread and once more we do have one coin and two sides and you can not address the problem until you understand all aspects of the problem.

Nonsense such as one in 7 husbands are wife rapists is not helpful either.

Okay Bill, I have tried over and over and over to the point that I am reminded that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. You are completely unreasonable and I doubt anyone but Hawkeye would disagree with me. So I have two words for you, BUH-BYE!

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@panzade,

Yup. Regardless of their culture, they should be able to feel safe wherever they are. Whether that is on the street, in a library, in a bar, or on a date with someone they don't know very well.

All I hear from Bill and Hawkeye is how the men are the victims and how the women should not complain when men take what they want and expect it to be their right.

Fortunately, people like Hawkeye and Bill are in a minority. However, it is because of the likes of them that women can never be fully empowered and totally confident.

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@Arella Mae,

I feel the same way about you that you are not a bad person but not completely rational when it come to this subject.

You can somehow claimed that having a large percent of the total charges of rape before the police and the courts being without foundation does not effect in a very real way and a negative way rape victims!!!!

That talking about the problem of rape without dealing with the means to reduce the numbers of false rapes charges file is possible in some strange universe.

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@Intrepid,

you said what I was thinking

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@Intrepid,

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All I hear from Bill and Hawkeye is how the men are the victims and how the women should not complain when men take what they want and expect it to be their right.

My experience has been that women worth having neither like nor respect milquetoast men. At the end of the day I do what works.

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However, it is because of the likes of them that women can never be fully empowered and totally confident.

I see, so men according to you are responsible for womens self esteem and safety? Intelligent people know that they are only responsible for their own self esteem, but it is interesting that you are such a throw-back that you think female safety is mens work. Seems you are not so much a believer in equality as you advertise.

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@Intrepid,

Do me a favor? Post that mouse laughing hysterically. Now Hawkeye is backtracking? He likes to blame women for getting raped but a woman's self-esteem is their own responsibility? What a hypocrite!

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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All I hear from Bill and Hawkeye is how the men are the victims and how the women should not complain when men take what they want and expect it to be their right.

My experience has been that women worth having neither like nor respect milquetoast men. At the end of the day I do what works.

From what you have written, the women you think are worth having wouldn't be of much interest to the rest of us anyhow.

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However, it is because of the likes of them that women can never be fully empowered and totally confident.

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I see, so men according to you are responsible for womens self esteem and safety? Intelligent people know that they are only responsible for their own self esteem, but it is interesting that you are such a throw-back that you think female safety is mens work. Seems you are not so much a believer in equality as you advertise.

Yes, we are responsible for their self esteem and safety. We have to keep them safe from the likes of you and your buddy Billy. It is not men's work to provide the safety but rather men's work to treat women with dignity and respect so that they do not require protection.

It is the scum like you that they need protection from. Not real men who are not afraid of their of their shadow and feminists.

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@Arella Mae,

Women are or are not adults and they are responsible for such things as their own drinking or they are not.

Seem on this thread that the women posters are of the opinion that the burden of protecting women from their own bad judgment should fall on the men around them and I am not the only one that find that amazing.

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@Intrepid,

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treat women with dignity and respect so

I have not found that this is what women want, what works on women. I encourage all men to do their own study, to decide for themselves what women really want ...what they respond to.

Talk is cheap. Moralizing is the defending against what is by those who are not functional and whole enough to deal with reality, who therefore must retreat into their fantasy about what should be.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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treat women with dignity and respect so
I have not found that this is what women want, what works on women. I encourage all men to do their own study, to decide for themselves what women really want ...what they respond to.

Talk is cheap. Moralizing is the defending against what is by those who are not functional and whole enough to deal with reality, who therefore must retreat into their fantasy about what should be.

As I said, not all men want the kind of women that you are attracted to in the BDSM world.

It is you who is not functional, buddy. You are in a minority and will always be so.

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So what is the groupthink on 86 year old women raped in the middle of the night by some pervert? Maybe some think it was irresponsible of their husbands to die and leave them out there shaking their booty. What else, what else, maybe they shouldn't sleep, that might prevent some amourous suiter from mistaking the idea of an old woman sleeping in her home as some sort of a come on. Rape happens, I hope it never happens to you but the idea that the jails are cramed full of innocent men unjustly charged with rape when it was truely a consensual act is wishful and strangely disturbing.

Has a woman ever unjustly accussed a man, yes it happens and I believe such perjury merits jail time for a woman who would unjustly deprive a man of his freedom. That should be considered and believe me it is. Ask any woman who has ever risked complaining about unwanted attention (including groping and touching) and see what kind of questions the authorities ask...Like is he your boyfriend, did you act seductively, what were you wearing????? It's nuts. Too many rapes go unreported because both male and female victims are unwilling to put themselves thru the ordeal.

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@Intrepid,

Amen Intrepid! I am a woman and I can tell you I want no man that is anything like Hawkeye!

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