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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:01 am
@firefly,
Quote:
No, IDIOT, it doesn't affect how we deal with actual rapes. And emphasizing the false accusations suggests that those who have actually been raped are not to be believed.

WE ARE DEALING WITH ACTUAL RAPES AND REAL RAPE VICTIMS IN THIS THREAD, DUMMY.


How do we know who to believe or not to believe without setting up a filtering program?

Any filtering is going to effect both real victims and false victims also.

Second comment when a rape charge is place we aways do have a victim the woman who had been raped or the man who had falsely been charge with a crime that never happen.

Rape and false rapes charges are still two sides of the same coin.



firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:24 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Rape and false rapes charges are still two sides of the same coin.


That's because you cannot focus on the problem of rape--actual rapes, with actual victims.

False accusations apply to all crimes, not just rapes. It is an entirely separate topic.

Your obvious intellectual limitations prevent you from understanding the topic of this thread.

Stop wasting everyone's time with your obsessive nonsense. We can't dumb down the topic to accommodate you. The topic of this thread is actual rapes, with actual victims, and actual rapists.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Sexual%20Assault%20Prevention%204.jpg
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:26 am
@BillRM,
BillRM in a nutshell...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_35kDzNt-gTQ/SpWEePRaClI/AAAAAAAACZ4/mCUfxRP4E_I/s400/stupid_idiots_big.jpg
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BillRM
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:33 am
@firefly,
Quote:
False accusations apply to all crimes, not just rapes. It is an entirely separate topic.


Sorry the studies indicate that false charges is must more common in non-stranger rapes then in almost any other crime class.

Quote:
The topic of this thread is actual rapes, with actual victims, and actual rapists.


So the means of reducing real rape is not a concern of this thread in any manner all this thread is just about is posting one rape story after another with no point beyond that?

If it had any relationship with dealing with the problem of rape and reducing rape when it would need to deal with false rapes charges also.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:33 am
Quote:

Dallas kicks off sexual assault awareness campaign
12:00 AM CDT on Thursday, September 2, 2010
By SCOTT GOLDSTEIN / The Dallas Morning News
[email protected]

Dallas police and city leaders on Wednesday officially kicked off a sexual assault public awareness campaign aimed at curbing a reported increase in the crime.

"In our continuing effort to make Dallas the safest city in the country, we as a community must work together to reduce the number of sexual assaults committed against unwilling victims," Council member Delia Jasso said during a brief news conference at Dallas City Hall.

Officers will be stepping up patrols, particularly in entertainment districts, and are disseminating prevention tips and other information via community meetings and social networks.

So far this year, 377 sexual assaults have been reported, compared to 316 at the same time last year, according to Dallas police statistics.

Jasso was joined by Dallas Assistant Police Chief Cynthia Villarreal, Dallas Area Rape Crisis Center executive director Jana Barker and numerous victim advocates and local officials. Mayor Tom Leppert and City Manager Mary Suhm also attended.

Police have said the majority of the reported rapes involve alcohol and people who know each other, often on dates or in other social situations.

"Keep in mind, potential predators, that silence does not mean sexual consent," said Jasso, vice chair of the City Council Public Safety Committee. "An intoxicated or unconscious person cannot give consent."

The reported jump in offenses that sparked the campaign follows a year in which Dallas police reported a 40-year low in sexual assaults, with 485 last year.

That trend goes back a few years.

There were 665 reported in 2006, 511 in 2007 and 499 in 2008, according to police statistics.

Overall crime has also been on the decline for six years, Dallas police say.

Police Chief David Brown has said he believes the rise in sexual assaults reflects an actual increase in offenses and not simply an increase in reporting of what is historically believed to be an underreported crime.

Officers are said to be taking proactive measures, including stepped-up enforcement of Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission regulations in clubs and bars.

"We're also going to increase training of our officers in what to look for in potential victims and intervene before the offense occurs," Villarreal said.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/crime/stories/DN-sexassaults_02met.ART.Central.Edition1.35c0e4b.html
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:39 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Police have said the majority of the reported rapes involve alcohol and people who know each other, often on dates or in other social situations.


LOL one can only wonder how setting up more police patrols are going to reduce non-stranger rapes done in private.

PR that have little to do with addressing the problem.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:40 am
@BillRM,
If the real topic of this thread--actual rapes, actual rape victims, actual rapists--bores you, go elsewhere. Post your own topic thread. No one here is interested in hearing from you anymore.

Are you too stupid to understand that?

http://boardgames.about.com/library/graphics/tf05idiot1.jpg
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:41 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Are you too stupid to understand that?


Yes I am........................
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:50 am
@BillRM,
Quote:

Re: firefly (Post 4337108)
Quote:
Are you too stupid to understand that?

Yes I am........................


Well, now you've confirmed it.

http://encefalus.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/idiot.jpg

And no one here wants to bother with someone as stupid as you are.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 11:56 am
Quote:

Rape-Related Posttraumatic Stress Disorder

Overview
Four Major Symptoms of Rape-related Posttraumatic Stress Disorder
Works Cited
Bibliography

In 2006, victims age 12 or older experienced 272,350 rapes or sexual assaults. (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2008).
89% of rape or sexual assault victims in 2006 were female with 31% assaulted by strangers; 44% were friends or acquaintances of their victims, and 21% were intimate partners. (Ibid).
American Indian and Alaskan Native women are almost three times as likely to experience rape or sexual assault as white, African American, or Asian American women. (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2008).
Nearly one-third of all rape victims develop Rape-related Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (RR-PTSD) sometime during their lifetimes, and more than eleven percent still suffers from it (National Center for Victims of Crime & Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center, 1992).

Overview

Traumatic events such as rape cause both short-term and long-term stress reactions. Many people who experience long-term stress reactions continue to function at optimal levels. Those who are unable to function at a normal range or have difficulties in one or more areas may have Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). This bulletin discusses Rape-related Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (RR-PTSD), a form of PTSD suffered by sexual assault and rape victims. For more information on PTSD, please refer to the bulletin "Posttraumatic Stress Disorder."

The four major symptoms of Rape-related Posttraumatic Stress Disorder are:

Re-experiencing the trauma

Rape victims may experience uncontrollable intrusive thoughts about the rape, essentially unable to stop remembering the incident. Many rape victims have realistic nightmares and dreams about the actual rape. In addition, victims may relive the event through flashbacks, during which victims experience the traumatic event as if it was happening now. Additionally, victims are distressed by any event that symbolizes the trauma of rape. Victims avoid talking about the
event and will avoid any stimuli or situations which remind them of the rape.

Social withdrawal

The second major RR-PTSD symptom for rape survivors is social withdrawal. It has been described as psychic numbing, denial and a feeling of being emotionally dead. They do not experience feelings of any kind. One way it shows up in the lives of survivors is a diminished interest in living. It is not that they are suicidal, but they have no interest in their children, in their jobs, and what feelings they do experience have a very narrow range. Victims experiencing RR-PTSD may not feel joy, pain, or really much of anything; many experience a kind of amnesia. In addition, victims with RR-PTSD may not remember the details of what happened to them.

Avoidance behaviors and actions

The third set of symptoms of RR-PTSD are avoidance behaviors and actions. Victims may experience a general tendency to avoid any thoughts, feelings, or cues which could bring up the catastrophic and most traumatizing elements of the rape. This may be characterized by refusing to drive near the spot where the rape occurred.

Increased physiological arousal characteristics

There may be an exaggerated startle response -- hyper-alertness and hyper-vigilance -- which requires that the victim pay attention to every sound and sight in their environment. Many experience sleep disorders which result in poor sleep patterns for chronic RR-PTSD victims, such as trouble falling or staying asleep. In addition, memory may be impaired, and many victims have difficulties concentrating, which affects tasks that must be completed in their daily lives. Victims may exhibit a kind of irritability, hostility, rage and anger that produce further isolation.

Some disturbing new research indicates that certain physiological changes in the brain may be permanent conditions. Some survivors with RR-PTSD are unable to accurately gauge the passage of time. Consequently, they are likely to show up for appointments late, early, or not at all. Another possible permanent side effect is a kind of tunnel vision. Victims may be unable to see the "big picture" which results in difficulty distinguishing between a little crisis and a big crisis. Therefore, all events in their lives are viewed as crises.

In Rape in America: A Report to the Nation, a widely-cited study by the National Center for Victims of Crime and the Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center, 13 percent of American women surveyed had been raped and 31 percent of theses rape victims developed RR-PTSD. The study showed that with 683,000 women raped each year in this country, approximately 211,000 will develop RR-PTSD each year. In their attempts to cope with RR-PTSD symptoms, many victims may develop major depression. Rape victims are three times more likely than non-victims of crime to have a major depression episode. Rape victims are 4.1 times more likely than non-crime victims to contemplate suicide. In fact, 13 percent of all rape victims actually attempt suicide, which confirms the devastating and potentially life threatening mental health impact of rape.

In attempting to cope with the above symptoms, drug and alcohol consumption are likely to be companions in the victim's attempt to gain relief from these symptoms. RIA found that, compared to non-victims of crime, rape victims are:

13.4 times more likely to have two or more major alcohol problems; and
Twenty-six times more likely to have two or more major serious drug abuse problems.

With a growing body of knowledge about RR-PTSD, help is available through most rape crisis and trauma centers. Support groups have been established where survivors can meet regularly to share experiences to help relieve the symptoms of RR-PTSD. For some survivors, medication prescribed along with therapy is the best combination to relieve the pain. Just as in the treatment of any other illness, at the first opportunity, the individual should be encouraged to talk about the traumatic experience. This ventilating provides a chance to receive needed support and comforting as well as an opportunity to begin to make sense of the experience (Allen). "To diminish symptoms of PTSD, you must work on two fronts- coming to terms with the past and alleviating stress in the present (Allen)." In addition, violence-related trauma affects not only direct victims, but those who care deeply about them.

Works Cited

National Center for Victims of Crime & Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center. (1992). Rape in American: A Report to the Nation. Arlington, VA: National Center for Victims of Crime.

Ringel, Cheryl. (1997). Criminal Victimization...Washington, DC: Bureau of Justice Statistics, US Department of Justice.

Bibliography
Allen, Jon. (1995). Coping with Trauma: A Guide to Self-Understanding. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Press.

Figley, Charles R. (1992). "Post-traumatic Stress Disorder, Part 1." Violence Update, 2(7): 1, p.8-9.

Harvey, Mary & Judith Herman. (1992). "The Trauma of Sexual Victimization: Feminist Contributions to Theory, Research, and Practice." PTSD Research
http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32366
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 12:11 pm
@firefly,
One wonder how must posttraumatic stress the seven Duke students ended up with!

When there was people threating to hang them.

One coin two faces.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 04:32 pm
@firefly,
I want to ask a question but I'm not quite sure how to put it without making one form of rape seem lesser than the other. I don't intend that so please keep that in mind.

Do you think there is more trauma (emotionally) from date/acquaintance/friend/relative rape than there is from stranger rape? I think perhaps the ability to trust anyone at all is effected moreso than with stranger rape. Like in my case, if I couldn't trust my father, whom could I trust. I am not saying my rape was any harder or easier or anything. See? I knew I couldn't ask it without making it seem wrong. But I am curious as to what you think about it.

I don't think I ever had PTSD but I was in denial for a long time.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 08:40 pm
@Arella Mae,
Oh, I understand that you are not making one type of rape seem lesser than another.

I think it is a very individualized situation, Arella Mae. Rape is such a profound personal violation, and I think that different women react emotionally in various ways to acquaintance/date/relative rape.

I would imagine that if one is the victim of a stranger rape, particularly if a weapon is used, and there is a real threat to one's life, or a physical attack and beating, in addition to the sexual assault, PTSD might be more likely to occur, simply because of the extreme fear and physical trauma that were a part of the actual event.

I have no personal experiences of my own to draw upon, but I have known many women who were victims of incest or acquaintance rape. Like you, they all had significant problems with trust, particularly in their relationships with men. Denial was also very prevalent, at least for a period of time.

One woman I knew, who had been sexually assaulted by both her brother and her father over a period of years during childhood, had suffered from severe recurrent major depressive episodes. She had also repressed most memories of these events until she was an adult when fears that her own young twin daughters might be sexually abused began to trigger vivid flashbacks of what had happened to her. As her memories returned to her, she was flooded with all sorts of emotions. She became consumed by rage over what had been done to her, and for a brief period she was suicidal and required hospitalization. That woman did appear to have PTSD, in addition to other emotional problems, associated with her sexual victimization. She was eventually able to work through many of these difficulties with the help of a therapist, but some chronic depression was a continuing problem for her even with medication. She divorced her first husband, a somewhat emotionally abusive and controlling man, but was reasonably happy in a second marriage with a very caring and supportive husband who genuinely seemed to understand what she had been through earlier in her life.

Someone else I knew had been involved in an incestuous relationship with her father for about two years when she was in her mid teens. She was in both awe and fear of her father, a highly respected and very powerful man in his professional life. She suffered from very deep feelings of shame about that relationship that made it very difficult for her to become involved in any intimate relationship with a man. As a college professor, she tended to be very overly intellectualized and unemotional in most areas of her life, apparently because she continued to deny her feelings about most things--she had made herself rather emotionally numb. This person also tried therapy, with several therapists, but she was so mistrustful, and so defensive, that the therapy really did little to improve her ability to form close relationships. Eventually she became sexually involved with an older woman, and she felt safer and freer to be herself in that relationship, which was like a marriage, and that afforded her a degree of contentment and happiness she had not known before.

Another woman I knew had been sexually abused by a neighbor, who was also her mother's boyfriend, when she was about 11 or 12 years old, and, when she tried to tell her mother what was happening to her, the mother reacted with disbelief and anger toward her, which made this child feel even more helpless and victimized. She began acting out in all sorts of self destructive ways--drinking excessively, cutting herself, bouts of bulimia with purging, overdoses of pills, etc. This continued long after the sexual abuse stopped, and went on through most of her adolescence and early 20's. Therapy and medication eventually helped to stabilize her moods somewhat, and most of the self destructive behavior stopped, but she continued to have intermittent problems with alcohol abuse, and rather serious problems with generalized anxiety and phobias. She was able to function reasonably well at her job, but remained rather socially withdrawn and isolated outside of work. She did not date at all and had few female friends. She spent most of her free time alone, engaging in rather solitary hobbies and pursuits.

I've known others as well, but those three had very different reactions to their rapes by people they knew or were related to. They were all significantly damaged emotionally by their sexual assaults, perhaps because the abuse was repeated over a few years for all of them. Some sense of trust was the hardest thing for all of them to regain. For all of them, there was some degree of trauma which was quite long lasting.

I think that, particularly in the case of incest with a father, there can be highly conflicted emotions involved. Unlike a stranger, the father may be loved, or at least seen as a powerful emotional presence in the girl or adolescent's life. So, when the rape or sexual assault then occurs, it is a very substantial betrayal of trust and boundaries, and that can generate considerable conflict and anxiety. That would not be the case in a stranger rape, where one has no pre-existing feelings for the rapist. Also, in cases of incest, the female may not tell anyone about what is happening. Or, she might tell her mother and the mother might not be able to deal with it. Or the revelation about the incest may blow the entire family apart with anger flying in all directions. The whole issue of seeing the rapist punished, or wanting to see him punished, is much more complex when the rapist is the father. All of that adds to the trauma for the victim.

As I've said, I have not had personal first hand experience with rape, but I've certainly listened to enough women talk about their experiences to understand what it is like and to be able to empathize with what they have been through. All types of rapes are traumatic, and I'm not sure that we can say which types are the most or least traumatic, that really is an individualized matter. And I think that most women can instinctively identify with a woman who has been raped because it is something that can happen to any of us at some point in our lives and we all know that.



Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 08:24 am
@firefly,
Thank you so much for your reply to my question. I know for myself trust has always been the hardest thing for me. I have had to force myself to trust because oftentimes I would think I was probably overracting due to my past abuse.

I think the worst thing for me was the shame. This happened forty one years ago and back then these things were not spoken of. Anytime I did say something about it I was quickly hushed like it was something I was supposed to be ashamed of. So, the guilt and shame piled on and on.

You also mentioned a woman that couldn't remember things. Much of my childhood is non-existent to me. My mother said consider it a blessing but, of course, I still wonder what is it I can't remember. I have small flashes of my life before I was 14 but that is about it. Perhaps maybe an hour or two of time if you add all the flashes together.

Rape, especially incest (IMO) victims, have a tendency to block things out. I had blocked things out so successfully and often that I began to question my very feelings. I always asked myself, "Do you really feel this way or are you pretending to because it is what is expected of you?" Sometimes I still struggle with that one.

I think rape is such a beastly crime because it is not just the body that gets violated. It is the very soul of a person that can be damaged or destroyed.

Thankfully, there are avenues of support for victims today. With the increase in rapes if that support did not increase I shudder to think........................
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 10:27 am
@Arella Mae,
I don't want to discuss the specifics of the situations, but I've also met several men who committed incest with their daughters and I don't think that any of them had any idea of how much they had damaged their child, and, in fact, they insisted that no harm had been done because they felt they were showing "love" to their daughter. One of them, a man who had been raping his teenage daughter, felt that his only problem was that he was "too possessive" and couldn't tolerate the fact that his daughter was getting involved with a boyfriend. Another was a man who had tried to rape his 7 year old but stopped his attempted penetration when she began screaming in pain. He was actually proud of himself for doing that (not completing the rape), and couldn't understand why his daughter was afraid of him and wanted no contact with him. He said he would kill anyone else who had tried to do that to his child but, since she was his, he could do what he wanted with her. Both of these men had strong needs for power and dominance and satisfied these by having sex, or trying to, with the most vulnerable female, their own child, who was totally under their control. Their degree of denial (and narcissism) was astounding. It was as if the daughter was not even a separate person with feelings of her own.

I'm just guessing, but I would imagine that the children who were sexually abused by priests might have reactions very similar to incest victims because of the enormous betrayal of trust involved and similar feelings of shame. And many of those children either didn't tell someone what happened, or they weren't believed, or the church just tried to cover it up. Unfortunately, that sort of thing also goes on in families where incest occurs.

This Louisiana man just received an unusually long sentence for incest. Most perpetrators get shorter sentences, I think.

Quote:

Man gets 20 years for incest conviction
Published on Friday, September 3, 2010 12:23 AM CDT

District Judge Peter Garcia sentenced a Madisonville man to 20 years in jail Tuesday after hearing a statement from the person he sexually abused.

Jessie Shelton, 44, pleaded guilty as charged on Aug. 16 to aggravated incest.

He was arrested in March by the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s Office after the female victim reported that he had abused her over a period of years starting when she was a minor and ending when she was 18 years old.

Rick Wood, spokesman for District Attorney Walter Reed, said the victim told authorities that she delayed reporting the abuse because she feared retaliation from Shelton.

In a compelling victim impact statement read this week before the sentencing, she stated that she has “moved from victim to survivor.”

Several family members accompanied her to the sentencing.

Garcia suspended one year of Shelton’s 20-year sentence but required him to serve five years of probation after he is released from jail.

Twenty years is the maximum sentence a person can receive for the crime of aggravated incest.

Garcia further prohibited Shelton from having any contact with the victim.
http://www.slidellsentry.com/articles/2010/09/03/news/doc4c8029f2583d1486318040.txt


This man, who was just arrested, faces up to 15 years.

Quote:

Police arrest incest suspect
By Kristyne E. Demske
C & G Staff Writer

UTICA — A 43-year-old La Porte, Ind., man turned himself in Sept. 2 after the Macomb County Prosecutor’s Office authorized incest charges against him for allegedly having sex with his 16-year-old daughter.

“He was having sex with his 16-year-old daughter at various Utica hotels,” said Detective Sgt. David Faber. “He would come up to visit for the weekend and spend that all in hotels in Utica.”

Faber said the girl lives in Clinton Township with her mother, who contacted Utica police for help.

“She … stumbled across something on the computer and questioned her (daughter) about it, and that’s how it got turned over to us,” he said.

Faber said the department tracked at least three visits — dating back to late 2009 — by the suspect, Ronald Sowards, to the area.

“We conducted an investigation and presented it to the prosecutor’s office, who authorized the warrant, made contact with his attorney, and he turned himself in to us,” Faber said.

Sowards is being held on a $75,000 cash surety bond following his arraignment in front of Magistrate Michael Osaer. If convicted, he faces 15 years in prison.
http://www.candgnews.com/Homepage-Articles/2010/09-01-10/Incest-suspect-arrest.asp


I can't imagine how much time this one will face...

Quote:

Southern Kentucky Man Pleads Not Guilty To 120 Sex Charges
Posted: Sep 3, 2010 11:26 AM

BROWNSVILLE, Ky. (AP) - A southern Kentucky man faces a January trial date after pleading not guilty to 120 sexual offenses.

The trial of 43-year-old Anthony Scott Peak of Rocky Hill is set for Jan. 31 on 40 counts of incest, 40 counts of unlawful transaction with a minor, 20 counts of first-degree rape and 20 counts of first-degree sodomy.

The Daily News of Bowling Green reported that an Edmonson County grand jury indicted Peak on the charges in March, but authorities were unable to capture him until last month in South Carolina.

He entered the not guilty plea at a court appearance on Wednesday.
Southern Kentucky Man Pleads Not Guilty To 120 Sex Charges


Unfortunately, incest appears in the news on a daily basis, along with the other types of rape. I'm not sure that anyone knows, with any degree of accuracy, what the incidence of incest actually is, particularly father/daughter incest.




Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 10:48 am
@firefly,
How could anyone with any sense of decency and morals defend what any of these men did and attempted to do. It is beyond my comprehension as to how any man could do such a thing and not even feel remorse.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 10:49 am
Can you believe this guy? Rolling Eyes Sickening.

Quote:


'Rapist': Victim's 'spiteful'
By REBECCA HARSHBARGER
Last Updated: 7:35 AM, September 3, 2010

The sicko accused of raping a St. John's University student testified yesterday that the victim called 911 because she was unsatisfied with the sex during the horrific attack in a Queens alley.

"I believe she was spiteful enough to make that call after I left because she was disappointed," James Gillespie said of the July 2009 assault.

Gillespie allegedly kept attacking the 21-year-old victim despite her frantic efforts to call 911.

Prosecutor Jared Rosenblatt tore into Gillespie.

"You have a girl trying to get anyone to help her not die in an alley in Queens," he said. "This was every woman's nightmare, not a sexual fling in an alley."

The young woman's sob-filled 911 call was replayed in court yesterday.

"Please don't do this to me! Please don't do this to me, sir!" the woman is heard screaming in the recording.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/rapist_victim_spiteful_4ZQUFWghud5NqLmSPh23tN

Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 11:33 am
@firefly,
And people try to tell me there is no such thing as evil?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 05:19 pm
@firefly,
One coin two sides.........

She lied! Police say woman's rape, beating claims were unfounded
Updated: 48 mins ago
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St. Louis, MO (KSDK) - Investigators with the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department said a woman who claimed she was beaten and raped and dumped in Forest Park made the whole thing up.

A Boy Scout volunteer found the woman in some high grass near the upper Muny parking lot in June. She was partially clothed and had her hands loosely tied.

Police and the FBI said the case was unfounded. Investigators sent their findings to prosecutors last month, but so far no charges have been filed against the woman at the center of the case.


KSDK
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 05:37 pm
Former Washtenaw County sheriff's deputy says rape allegation ruined his career
Topics: Crime, News
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Posted: Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 AM [Sep 1, 2010]

Former Washtenaw County Sheriff’s Deputy Eric Kuhn says he thought the video camera in his patrol car would protect him.

A 48-year-old woman he was transporting to jail on Oct. 20, 2008 threatened to falsely claim to jail officers that Kuhn raped her, records show. She was arrested after she fled during a traffic stop in Superior Township.

The woman, Marianne Joseph, followed through on the threat. But Kuhn was backed by a 40-minute patrol car video that showed everything from the initial traffic stop to her fabricating the story.

“I figured if everything was on videotape, I was protected and everything was fine,” Kuhn said.


Marianne Joseph is shown in the back of the patrol car, and part of Deputy Eric Kuhn's uniform is visible in the foreground.
Joseph was charged with filing a false report of a felony and convicted six months later, county court records show. Kuhn sued her and won a $1 million default judgment two months ago when she failed to respond to the suit.

Within days of Joseph’s arrest, Kuhn said he was assured by former sheriff’s Cmdr. Marilyn Hall-Beard that no internal investigation would take place.

But it didn't end there, Kuhn alleges in a federal lawsuit against the county and sheriff's Lt. Jim Anuszkiewicz. Kuhn says he was subjected to an internal investigation, denied an extension of medical leave and fired.

The suit claims Anuszkiewicz, who is white, persisted with investigating Kuhn for “unprofessional conduct” in “whole or in part” because Kuhn is black. The internal investigation proceeded against the orders of Hall-Beard, a higher-ranking black employee, the suit says.

The lawsuit, pending since March, claims the county fired Kuhn in retaliation for a complaint he filed about being subjected to an improper internal investigation.

Kuhn says in the lawsuit he was fired after requesting an extension of unpaid medical leave he took because of "severe emotional stress" brought on by the internal investigation. Such extensions are routinely granted, Kuhn said.

In-car video cameras are "by far and away" advantageous to deputies, said Kuhn's attorney, Rick Convertino.

“They protect the officers and, of course, protect the public,” Convertino said. “It didn’t protect him because there was an agenda. This was agenda-driven, not fact-driven.”

Sheriff Jerry Clayton declined to comment on behalf of the sheriff’s department. The county is denying many of the allegations in the lawsuit, court records show, but has a policy of not commenting on pending litigation.

The arrest

Kuhn said he hadn't had any prior contact with Marianne Joseph when he pulled her over for driving erratically about 3:05 a.m. Oct. 20, 2008 near the intersection of Geddes and Ridge roads in Superior Township.

Upon being stopped, Joseph exited her car and walked up to Kuhn's patrol car, according to the video obtained by AnnArbor.com under the Freedom of Information Act.

She gave a false name and didn't immediately provide her driver's license, registration and proof of insurance, Kuhn said. After a male deputy and female deputy arrived on the scene, Kuhn gave Joseph permission to sit in her car because it was cold out, an incident report says.

“That’s when she took off,” Kuhn said.

Joseph made a U-turn, and deputies pursued her car to a nearby neighborhood where she lives, ultimately chasing her on foot, the report says. The other two deputies got to Joseph before Kuhn and found her standing on a deck, pounding on the back door of a Wexford Drive home, reports say.

Those deputies handcuffed Joseph, who was put in the back of Kuhn's patrol car so he could drive her to the county jail on Hogback Road, Kuhn said.

"Before we left, she was trying to kick the window out several times," he said. "She was yelling and screaming."

Kuhn kept his cool, the video shows, and made sure the camera was pointed at Joseph.

“Sometimes in those situations, the more you say, the worse the situation gets, so I just said as minimal as possible,” he said.

A ride to jail

On the video, Joseph can be heard yelling profanities, threatening to sue the police, saying she is going to vomit and complaining about a surgical procedure she reportedly had.

She asks Kuhn why she isn't belted in and demands he loosen her handcuffs. Then she starts making threats.

“Stop right now and take these (expletive) handcuffs off me right now or loosen them…” she says. “I will say you raped me."

She later says, "You were with me way too long, way, way too long. Got it? And you’re a black man and I’m a white woman. What’s gonna happen?”

Kuhn replies, “Nothing’s gonna happen. Everything is being recorded.”

After Kuhn drives inside a secure garage at the jail, Joseph tells officers who are helping her out of the car that Kuhn raped her.

"He raped me on my neighbor’s porch," she says.

According to an incident report, Joseph claimed to Sgt. Marlene Radzik that Kuhn raped her "between two houses when he was handcuffing me."

An internal investigation

Radzik quickly determined Joseph's allegation was false after interviewing Joseph, Kuhn and the other two deputies, and watching the in-car videos. She told Joseph charges would be sought against her, including for filing a false police report, the report says.

Kuhn and a union representative met several days later with Cmdr. Hall-Beard, he said.

"She said I handed myself appropriately, and (Joseph) would be charged," Kuhn said. "She informed me there would be no internal investigation."

Lt. Anuszkiewicz reviewed Radzik's findings on Oct. 24, 2008, records show.

Joseph went to an area hospital on her own, and a rape kit was sent to the Michigan State Police lab for DNA analysis on Oct. 24, 2008, records show. Results came back on Nov. 25, 2008, showing no evidence of a sexual assault, state police records show.

In a Dec. 12, 2008 e-mail from Hall-Beard to Anuszkiewicz, Hall-Beard questioned why Anuszkiewicz was pursuing an internal investigation for "unprofessional conduct."

"Please explain how the victim (Eric Kuhn) is now the person a complaint is being made against?" Hall-Beard wrote. "The woman makes an allegation of a crime against one of our deputy (sic), which means it was criminally investigated and it showed that she made a false statement (in other words she lied).

"She is the criminal, not the victim. She has no right to have a service complaint against one of our deputies."

It's unclear whether Anuszkiewicz responded to the e-mail.

Kuhn alleges Anuszkiewicz persisted with the internal investigation after Sheriff Dan Minzey left and Clayton took office.

On March 18, 2009, three months after Hall-Beard's e-mail, Kuhn received a letter from sheriff's Cmdr. Dieter Heren saying the internal investigation showed "the allegations were baseless." That day, Kuhn filed a complaint about how the internal investigation was handled. He received a letter on Nov. 23, 2009 from Undersheriff Mark Ptaszek that says "improper conduct" was found in the handling of the probe.

"Corrective action will be taken," the letter says without being more specific.

Kuhn said being fired in January, seven months after first taking medical leave, was the most difficult part of the experience. He said he never thought the Clayton administration wouldn't support him.

"The administration is what counts," he said.

Moving on

Marianne Joseph pleaded guilty on April 15, 2009 to filing a false report of a felony, court records show. She also pleaded no contest to third-degree fleeing and eluding, operating with an altered license and three counts of resisting and obstructing police, records show.

Joseph was sentenced by Washtenaw County Circuit Judge Archie Brown to two years of probation. Attempts by AnnArbor.com to reach Joseph were unsuccessful.

In a court-ordered apology letter to Kuhn on July 20, 2009, Joseph apologized for "making a false verbal statement."

"I do realize that you are a good man and you did not deserve this at all," the letter says. "Any man that puts himself out there day after day and risks his own life to protect and serve others is a very brave, caring individual that deserves to be honored, not disrespected as I did you."

Kuhn, 37, a married father of two, served the department for more than six years and said he had no disciplinary record. He is a graduate of Huron High School and the Washtenaw Community College Police Academy and said he built positive relationships with community members.

"I tried to help as many people as I could," he said. "I was willing to go above and beyond. There were a lot of sacrifices for my family. I worked a lot of hours."

Kuhn said he still has support from many former colleagues. He is enrolled at Oakland Community College and is studying to become an IT professional.

"At this point, I have no career," he said. "I have to start over. It's been challenging for my family, but we're finding a way to make it through."

Warning: This video contains profanity throughout.

 

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