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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 03:24 pm
@Arella Mae,
Let see where to begin first the problem of false rape charges directly effect rape victims in a numbers of ways.

First it tie up police recourses, it in fact greatly increase the overall noise in the justice system making it harder to address rape victims needs in all manners of ways.

Rapes and false rape charges are just two sides of the same coin and both sides need to be address at the same time in order to have a chance in hell of improving the situation.

Oh as far as your two hundred numbers of rapes is concern there been solid studies posted here that would indicate that in regard to non-strangers rape reports 82 out of 200 never happen in any given sample.

We need to address both sides instead of pretending the coin only had one side.


firefly
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 03:36 pm
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Rape Victims Applaud Power of Stieg Larsson Films to Educate
Swedish Film 'Girl With Dragon Tattoo' Distributed to Crisis Centers and College Campuses
By SUSAN DONALDSON JAMES
Aug. 27, 2010—

At the age of 13 while awaiting a school bus, Amanda Sandberg was kidnapped by a man in a white van who covered her head in a beanie and bound her mouth with duct tape, repeatedly raping her, at times with broken bottles.

The rapist even returned her to her empty Seattle home and tortured and sexually assaulted her again, leaving her bloody and unconscious in the bathtub.

It took three years to apprehend the man, and in 2004, just days before Sandberg enrolled in college, he was convicted through a cold DNA match and sentenced to 38 years without parole.

Now, 11 years later, Sandberg speaks out about the lifelong trauma of sexual assault and is an unlikely fan of Stieg Larsson, the Swedish crime author whose heroines are the victims of horrific rape and incest.

Like Larsson's young heroine Lisbeth Salander, the victim of a ritualistic rape, Sandberg is angry, distrustful of others and "fiercely independent."

"It was very cathartic reading the books and when I watched the first movie I was blown away," said Sandberg, 24, now living in Washington, D.C. "It was the first active and aggressive depiction of a survivor I have ever seen."

Just this week, Music Box Films, U.S. distributors for "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" are sending the Swedish movie to rape crisis centers and college groups who will show it to support victims of sexual assault.

So far, 125 have signed up, and they are prepared to give away thousands of DVD's for free.

The company has partnered with the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) to use the films as part of an educational program to advocate for trauma victims and bring attention to assault prevention.

It carries a warning for survivors that they mayface challenges dealing with the graphic rape scenes and experience flashbacks.

Larsson, who died of a heart attack just after handing over the manuscripts to the publisher in 2004, was a champion of women's rights and a crusader against sex trafficking, the central theme in the millennium trilogy.

"The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo," now available on DVD, is the highest grossing film in Sweden's history and the most profitable European production in 2009. "The Girl Who Played With Fire" was released to U.S. audiences this summer and "The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest," will premiere Oct. 29.

An American version of the first film starring Rooney Mara and Daniel Craig will soon begin production.

The films illustrate the real life effects of sexual violence on victims and survivors, emphasizing the importance of getting help.

According to statistics from RAINN, an estimated 248,300 Americans were assaulted in the 2007 and 1 in 6 women and 1 in 33 men will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime. College students are more than four times likely to be victims.

The organization is determined to get the films screened and discussed at as many colleges and crisis centers as possible to educate students about sexual assault and to provoke a discussion about how the fictional crimes were portrayed and how those assaults affected the mental health of victims for a lifetime.

Sexual assault survivors are more likely to suffer from depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, abuse alcohol and drugs and to contemplate suicide, much like Larsson's fictional characters Salander and Vanger.

Previews in some of RAINN's crisis centers have already triggered a backlash from some viewers because of the graphic violence. But Sandberg said the heroines, Salander and Vanger are realistic -- and neither are passive victims.

Salander, 24, is raped by her legal guardian who had control of her finances and the authority to report her as mentally unstable. He assaulted her sadistically for two hours using a gag and a rope and physically beat her.

Vanger is raped by her father and mother from the ages of 13 to 15, fakes her own murder, and runs away for several decades.

Salander avenges her own father -- a sex trafficker -- for the beatings of her mother and mutilates the body of her guardian in retaliation for his assault.

The genesis of the project was from Music Box Films, which wanted to "capitalize" on its young fans in a grassroots campaign that showed some "social responsibility," according to its marketing consultant Nevette Previd.

"Fans are of a certain demographic, and they read the book first. Then it has a trickle down effect," she said. "We are trying to market foreign films to an audience that doesn't necessarily see foreign films."

"We came up with a program that was mutually beneficial," she said of the partnership with RAINN. "They can educate, and we can get the 20-somethings, so it's a win-win for both of us."

Previd admits the rape scenes are horrifying. "I think that from a movie point of view it was essential to put it in," she said. "This is a foreign film version of the book, not Hollywood. But it wasn't sensationalizing. It's real life."

Both groups are hoping that up to 1,000 colleges get the free film and discussion guide, which will be presented sometimes on or about Sept. 23, the organization's RAINN Day.

"The most wonderful thing to come out of the film is people are having a dialogue about sexual violence," said Jen Marsh, RAINN's hotline and affiliate services director. "When people start having a conversation, whether they liked or disliked the books is relevant."

Lisbeth Salander and Harriet Vanger illustrate two different, but typical responses to rape.

"It varies from survivor to survivor, but Lisbeth exemplifies a common reaction: distrust of people, anger and sometimes a desire for revenge," she said. "Victims discuss fantasies, but not acting on it, just thinking about the aggressor."

"Isolation is also a big one and Lisbeth is a good example of that," said Marsh. "It ties into the distrust."

Like Vanger, who who moved to Australia after being raped by her brother, "some victims cope and deal with abuse by kind of starting over, something as small as changing one's appearance or separating from anything that reminds them of the assault."

Such was the case with Sandberg, who said recovery after sexual assault is a "tough road."

'It truly lasts a lifetime," she said. "It's not that you ever get over what happens, but you learn to live with it."

The day she was assaulted, her walking partner was sick and Sandberg, at the time only an eighth grader, stood alone at the bus stop on a busy street corner when the windowless industrial van pulled up.

"He had a gun in his hand and a knife in the other and before I knew it the gun was at my head and the knife was at my throat," she said. "He threw me in the back."

After driving off road, he assaulted her multiple times, sending her in and out of consciousness. Afterward, the rapist cleverly called her school to say he was an uncle and she was sick that day. Then he drove to her home while Sandberg's mother was at work, and locked her in a bedroom closet.

"He put furniture against the closet door and in the process stole everything, including my mother's blank checks and heirloom jewelry and some furniture," she said.

"By the time he opened the door, I had managed to get the beanie off my head and he dragged me into my mother's room and assaulted me again on her bed and then dragged me into the bathroom tub. He turned on the shower and I was bleeding and he said, 'I will come and kill you if you ever tell anyone,' and left."

Sandberg dragged herself to a phone and called 911. She had so many cut wounds that she needed blood transfusions and had two black eyes for a month. Sandberg also had surgery on her genitals to repair the damage caused by the broken bottles.

The man stalked the family for months afterward and was not identified for three years. She also endured a humiliating two-year trial. As a result, today Sandberg cannot watch horror movies or look at masks and white vans give her flashbacks.

"The recovery has been long and I could not have read this book in high school," said Sandberg. "I had anxiety, depression and suicide attempts, but eventually I started to adjust to some sort of normal life," she said.

"I didn't receive justice in the court system, and I was an angry person," she said. "In my victim statement, I said they were no better than the criminals themselves."

Some call Lisbeth the "Hannibal Lecter of crime literature," but Sandberg said she identifies with that anger and a society that pays little attention to the trauma of survivors.

"I felt closest to Lisbeth Salander," she said. "She shows the impact of recovery can be lifelong and shape everything we do in the future and relationships. It's her mode of survival. She had no choice."

"She has a hesitation toward males and relates better with females," said Sandberg. "She is an angry person and even those who she cares about, she still is hesitant with them. And she need alone time."

Sandberg began her activism as a freshman at Georgetown University right after her assailant's conviction in 2004, speaking out a student rallies and advocating for campus policies.

Today Sandberg is a speaker for RAINN and serves as a volunteer on its rape hotline. She admits she has a spot of jealousy for the way in which Salander seeks revenge.

"Most survivors can't do that without legal repercussions," said Sandberg. "I don't think I would have had that feeling if I had had justice in the courtroom.

"When you have a fall-out of support and society doesn't understand where you are coming from and there's victim blaming, you feel really angry and fiercely independent and lash out."

Sandberg said the film, especially the "in your face" rape scene, is an eye opener giving view no choice but to see what the real experience is like.

One male friend previewed "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" with Sandberg and later became "enthralled in the idea of activism," she said.

Sandberg hopes that others will see the importance of supporting and providing resources for rape survivors and will work toward better state and federal policies.

"These are the things that come out of the movie," she said.

"It forces people to see what they aren't willing to accept," said Sandberg. "People don't want to see it happen or think it will happen to them. But it's the true, nitty gritty aspect of what some have survived. It's ugly, graphic and gross."
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=11490699
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 03:38 pm
@BillRM,
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 04:27 pm
@firefly,
I had heard about the books but didn't know what they were about. Thanks for the tip
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 04:47 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Let see where to begin first the problem of false rape charges directly effect rape victims in a numbers of ways.

First it tie up police recourses, it in fact greatly increase the overall noise in the justice system making it harder to address rape victims needs in all manners of ways.

Rapes and false rape charges are just two sides of the same coin and both sides need to be address at the same time in order to have a chance in hell of improving the situation.

Oh as far as your two hundred numbers of rapes is concern there been solid studies posted here that would indicate that in regard to non-strangers rape reports 82 out of 200 never happen in any given sample.

We need to address both sides instead of pretending the coin only had one side.



They are NOT two sides of the same coin. False rape charges are nowhere near the numbers that rape are. I tried pleading to your sensibilities. I tried to get you to understand why we keep asking you to start your own thread. You ignore it all. So, I am giving up. I'm going to ignore you and I don't care what anyone posts about you or responds to your posts I am not unignoring you again.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 04:52 pm
@firefly,
Watching movies that have rapes in them are very hard for me. Boys Don't Cry (I think that was the name of it) was the story of Tina Brandon who wanted to be male and passed herself off as such. She was eventually found out and visciously raped. She reported it and was treated in such a horrific manner by the sheriff! But, she pressed charges. She ended up dead, along with some of her friends who were innocent bystanders, at the hands of her rapists.

I am going to get the Dragon Tattoo DVD. I applaud any woman who can overcome rape in their lives and I will not dishonor her by not watching it.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 07:10 am
Rape probe against WikiLeaks founder reopened
A senior Swedish prosecutor reopened a rape investigation against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on Wednesday, the latest twist to a puzzling case in which prosecutors of different ranks have overruled each other.

Link
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 07:55 am
@Intrepid,
I am definitely holding back any real opinion on this. If this man is guilty of rape then he needs to be prosecuted. I can, however, see how it could possibly be some kind of retaliation for his whistleblowing. I am sure we will hear more and more about this.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 08:26 am
@Arella Mae,
Quote:
False rape charges are nowhere near the numbers that rape are. I tried pleading to your sensibilities. I tried to get you to understand why we keep asking you to start your own thread. You ignore it all. So, I am giving up. I'm going to ignore you and I don't care what anyone posts about you or responds to your posts I am not unignoring you again.


Some seemingly solid studies already posted here seem to indicate it is only very slightly under 50 percents of the non-strangers rape reports.

So that is damn near the same numbers as rapes.

But feel free to place you head in the sand and claim otherwises.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 08:59 am
@Arella Mae,
Second comment, I am all for supporting a very large scale scientific study or studies over this matter being done however at the moment the weight of the existing scientific studies is placing the false rape reports as approaching fifty percent of all non-strangers rape reports.

firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:02 am
@BillRM,
Idiot, false rape accusations are not the topic of this thread. It doesn't matter what percentage they are--that is not the topic of this thread.


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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:03 am
http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php


About Half of Rape Allegations are False, Research Shows
False allegations of rape are believed to be more common than many persons realize. These are the findings of four research studies:

A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.1 Of those women who later recanted, many didn't admit the allegation was false until just before taking a polygraph test. Others admitted it was false only after having failed a polygraph test.2
In a nine-year study of 109 rapes reported to the police in a Midwestern city, Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin reported that in 41% of the cases the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred.3
In a follow-up study of rape claims filed over a three-year period at two large Midwestern universities, Kanin found that of 64 rape cases, 50% turned out to be false.4 Among the false charges, 53% of the women admitted they filed the false claim as an alibi.5
According to a 1996 Department of Justice report, “in about 25% of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI, ... the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing.6 It should be noted that rape involves a forcible and non-consensual act, and a DNA match alone does not prove that rape occurred. So the 25% figure substantially underestimates the true extent of false allegations.
And according to former Colorado prosecutor Craig Silverman, “For 16 years, I was a kick-ass prosecutor who made most of my reputation vigorously prosecuting rapists. ... I was amazed to see all the false rape allegations that were made to the Denver Police Department. ... A command officer in the Denver Police sex assaults unit recently told me he placed the false rape numbers at approximately 45%.”7

According to the FBI, about 95,000 forcible rapes were reported in 2004.8 Based on the statements and studies cited above, some 47,000 American men are falsely accused of rape each year. These men are disproportionately African-American.9

Some of these men are wrongly convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned. Even if there is no conviction, a false allegation of rape can “emotionally, socially, and economically destroy a person.”10




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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:11 am
Quote:

Convicted Child Rapist to Serve a 50 Year Prison Sentence
September 01, 2010
Wednesday PM

Fairbanks, Alaska - Monday evening a plea agreement guaranteed a lengthy prison sentence for a man guilty of repeatedly sexually abusing a child throughout his/her teenage years. 38-year old Joseph Turney pled guilty to two counts of Sexual Abuse of a Minor in the First Degree and one count of Sexual Assault in the First Degree. Those three counts were consolidated from 20 separate original charges of a similar nature. His sentence calls for a 66-year prison term with 16 years suspended. Following the completion of his prison sentence, Turney is required to be on probation for 15 years and to register as a sex offender for life.

The 20-month long investigation by the Child Abuse Investigation Unit (CAIU) revealed that Turney had sexually assaulted the teen on numerous occasions.

"In nine years with the Troopers, five of which supervising rape, murder and child abuse cases, I have never worked on a case more appalling and egregious than this one," said Sergeant Dave Willson, supervisor of the Fairbanks CAIU. "The extreme abuse suffered by the victim over the course of approximately seven years would have overwhelmed most people. The facts of this case would move most people to tears."

Turney was a school bus driver for First Transit. The Fairbanks North Star Borough School District was advised of the investigation shortly after Turney was arrested in January of 2009. The CAIU has no knowledge of any additional victims, but is working closely with the Office of Children's Services in this matter.

Source of News:
Alaska State Troopers
www.dps.state.ak.us
http://www.sitnews.us/0910news/090110/090110_sentence.html
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:11 am
@BillRM,
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:21 am
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OH Crime Cincinnati.Com
Updated: 10:43 am | August 31, 2010
Accused rapist may have more victims
By Eileen Kelley • [email protected]

MADEIRA - With an accused rapist behind bars after he was arrested on allegations that he used his Jack Russell terriers to lure a 9-year-old girl into his mobile home and then assaulted her, several more people have come forward to say that they, too, were victims of sexual assault at the hands of Samuel Jillson.

Police say it now appears they've had a serial rapist living next to a city park for years.

There are at least four victims, according to police and court records, but police suspect there are more.

A Hamilton County grand jury indicted Jillson on Tuesday on two counts of rape, one count of attempted rape, two counts of endangering children and two counts of gross sexual imposition.

Jillson, who police said is known in the community as Tim, was indicted in late July on gross sexual imposition charges in the case involving the 9-year-old girl. His bond for that case has been set at $450,000.

Police say that the high bond helped other victims make the decision to come forward.

Some of the charges date to the 1990s.

Lt. Chris Zumbiel said the ages of the victims varied, but that the youngest was 4 years old.

At least one of Jillson's victims was mentally or physically handicapped, his indictment states.

Jillson lives in a mobile home community on Dawson Road, which is near the city-owned McDonald Commons Park. Zumbiel said police have had contact with him since he was released from prison in 1995. He was known to walk his four dogs in the park in the early hours. None of the cases have suggested that any of the alleged attacks occurred in the public park.

Anyone with additional information is asked to contact Detective Eric Hoeffel at 513-272-4214 or [email protected].
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100831/NEWS010701/9010366/Accused-rapist-may-have-more-victims
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:22 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Idiot, false rape accusations are not the topic of this thread. It doesn't matter what percentage they are--that is not the topic of this thread.


So a very large percent of false rape charges does not effect or should not effect how we need to deal with addressiong the problem of reducing rape on say college campuses?

You are not likely to grain the respect and cooperation of men by telling them you do not care how many of them end up being falsely charge with rape and your only concern is for rape victims.

Both side of the coin need to be address together.


firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:29 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
So a very large percent of false rape charges does not effect or should not effect how we need to deal with addressiong the problem of reducing rape on say college campuses?


No, IDIOT, it doesn't affect how we deal with actual rapes. And emphasizing the false accusations suggests that those who have actually been raped are not to be believed.

WE ARE DEALING WITH ACTUAL RAPES AND REAL RAPE VICTIMS IN THIS THREAD, DUMMY.


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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:33 am
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:36 am
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U.N. raises Congo rape toll to 240
Published: Sept. 2, 2010 at 10:17 AM


UNITED NATIONS, Sept. 2 (UPI) -- More than 240 women, children and infants may have been raped when rebel forces seized a town in the Congo, a U.N. report said.

A spokesman for the United Nations said last month that a human rights team found that more than 150 women were gang-raped in late July and early August by members of the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda, or FDLR, and a local militia called Mai-Mai.

The United Nations raised the number of people raped by FDLR and Mai-Mai fighters to 240, adding some of those raped were infants, the BBC reports.

U.N. peacekeeping forces in the area have been supporting an effort to beat the FDLR, who are linked to the Rwandan genocides in 1994.

The U.N. Security Council in the wake of the initial reports had an emergency session and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon later sent a senior representative to the area to investigate.

The Security Council pressed the peacekeeping force in the area for not responding to the rape allegations. The force, however, said it was unaware of the rapes until more than a week after the atrocities despite being positioned around 20 miles from the Congolese village.

Leaders in the FDLR said their force weren't involved in the attacks.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2010/09/02/UN-raises-Congo-rape-toll-to-240/UPI-95961283437049/
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:43 am
Awaiting trial on one first degree rape charge, he is now accused of another one...

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DeKalb man charged with rape
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 at 9:32 p.m.

A Crossville man has been charged with rape in connection with the alleged assault of a woman he hired to clean his house, DeKalb County Sheriff Jimmy Harris said.

According to a press release from the sheriff’s department, Nicholas Jerome Sims, 29, Crossville, has been charged with first-degree rape and is being held at the DeKalb County Detention Center on $40,000 bond.

According to the release, DeKalb County sheriff’s deputies about 4 a.m. Monday were called to Marshall Medical Center South, where a 24-year-old woman had reported a rape.

The sexual assault and forcible rape reportedly occurred just off County Road 104 in Crossville.

The woman, from DeKalb County, had been hired to clean Sims’ home. She said the incident occurred there between noon and 1 p.m. Monday, according to the release. She was treated at the hospital and released.

Wednesday, DeKalb County investigators received notice from Etowah County authorities that a hold was to be placed on Sims upon his bonding out of jail on the DeKalb County charges. Sims is on bond awaiting trial in Etowah County on a first-degree rape charge, according to the release.
http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20100901/NEWS/100909990/1016/NEWS?Title=DeKalb-man-charged-with-rape
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