DiversityDriven
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 08:36 pm
@hatukazi,
hatukazi;51450 wrote:
I served in the army because I chose to.
I should be able to pay the way for my childrens freedom by the time they are grown.

how has our country ever been victorious in a war? besides the revolutionary war.

even when we win, we end up losing by paying to "rebuild infrastructure" which usually means setting up corporate business ventures for the proponents of each particular war in the losing countries, which means digging us further into debt and fostering world wide hatred at the same time.

and for FYI no, no I, nor anyone that I know personally has profited from this war, or any war. I do know casualties.

I also know that Dick Cheney has made over $50 million since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, what's the salary of a vice pres. of the US anyway?
Quote:
and for FYI no, no I, nor anyone that I know personally has profited from this war
I think any soldier in the field profits from any war, they are not doing it for free?
Drakej
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 08:58 pm
@DiversityDriven,
DiversityDriven;51539 wrote:
I think any soldier in the field profits from any war, they are not doing it for free?


No they do not. They make money during a war. They do not get a bonus for every BG they kill. They get paid for a specific job, and some times they have to do that job during war. Nothing more nothing less. Do not try and say that our troops are war profiters.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 11:24 pm
@DiversityDriven,
DiversityDriven;51539 wrote:
I think any soldier in the field profits from any war, they are not doing it for free?


We'd know if they had the option to leave...
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:14 am
@hatukazi,
hatukazi;51454 wrote:
whose would that be?


You're seriously asking that?
hatukazi
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 09:50 am
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;51585 wrote:
You're seriously asking that?


because I have a fairly good idea you will say OBL, and according to the definition I provided, that would be wrong.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 10:17 am
@hatukazi,
And OBL does not fit your own listed definition?


"Other uses
Another political use of "regime" concerns international regulatory agencies (see International regime), which lie outside of the control of national governments. These have more power over a greater range than postal or telecommunications agreements, for example, and constrain national governments."


Reach for something else now... You gave OBL up on your own
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 10:40 am
@scooby-doo cv,


No one care to reply ? the two of them must have been lying :wtf:
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hatukazi
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 12:40 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;51592 wrote:
And OBL does not fit your own listed definition?


"Other uses
Another political use of "regime" concerns international regulatory agencies (see International regime), which lie outside of the control of national governments. These have more power over a greater range than postal or telecommunications agreements, for example, and constrain national governments."


Reach for something else now... You gave OBL up on your own


since he's not a "regulatory agency", like NATO no, he doesn't, he follows no rules or regulations and to qualify as an agency you need to represent someone other than yourself.

to call OBL's little group a regime you also have to include David Koresh and Tim McVeigh.

unless, of course, he could be considered to represent the views of his homeland, Saudi Arabia...

...but then we would have to attack them as a "terror sponsoring state", and that just doesn't fit GB's agenda.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 01:38 pm
@hatukazi,
Why would he attack saudi arabia... OBL offered his regime to defend saudis oil interests and he was told No we will use the USA.

And if you are saying The taliban had no political weight or support, then this debate is a lost cause. Koresch was not political figure head.

OBL and the Taliban were
hatukazi
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 02:27 pm
@rugonnacry,
the taliban is about as political as the mafia, they thug their way into wielding influence.

if they were a real political power, political pressure would have them handing OBL over to us for the trial he so desperately deserves.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 02:34 pm
@hatukazi,
hatukazi;51925 wrote:
the taliban is about as political as the mafia, they thug their way into wielding influence.

if they were a real political power, political pressure would have them handing OBL over to us for the trial he so desperately deserves.


The Taliban was the ruling organization of Afghanistan. How exactly were they not political? It's like if the Mafia were openly in political control of Sicily, but still killed people, well, that wouldn't make it any less of a political power.
hatukazi
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 03:00 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;51928 wrote:
The Taliban was the ruling organization of Afghanistan. How exactly were they not political? It's like if the Mafia were openly in political control of Sicily, but still killed people, well, that wouldn't make it any less of a political power.


than it's easy, OBL is part of the taliban, tha taliban is responsible for 9/11, put them all on trial, end of story.

WTF are we doing in Iraq?
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 03:15 pm
@hatukazi,
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WTF are we doing in Iraq?


Everything we do must be connected to 9/11?
hatukazi
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 03:20 pm
@Reagaknight,
no, but the point of the this thread was the deceptions that led us into Iraq.

lies about WMD's
lies about Iraq's connection with AQ

there is an article at the beginning that explains it far better than I can, with all research involved.
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 06:39 pm
@hatukazi,
hatukazi;51925 wrote:
the taliban is about as political as the mafia, they thug their way into wielding influence.

if they were a real political power, political pressure would have them handing OBL over to us for the trial he so desperately deserves.



Then by your definition, I guess the National Socialists were not a political power in Germany either.
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 06:42 pm
@hatukazi,
hatukazi;51944 wrote:
no, but the point of the this thread was the deceptions that led us into Iraq.

MISINFORMATION about WMD's
Iraq's connection with AQ (is fact) However the way certain sides SPIN it is that Because we claim he has ties with AQ means he was involved in 9/11

If AQ had NOT attacked New york, would they be good guys?

Because Saddam was not involved with 9/11 but is involvedwith AQ make him a good guy?



there is an article at the beginning that explains it far better than I can, with all research involved.



FIXT.
hatukazi
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 06:55 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;51951 wrote:
Then by your definition, I guess the National Socialists were not a political power in Germany either.


where do I begin?

much like our government, the national socialist party (which did not start out as a political power) chose the King of Liars as there leader and he then used the press to spread his lies, deciet and misinformation regarding his false flag terror operations against his own country to spread his hateful twisted propaganda much to the detriment and eventual ruin of "his" country.

then , ultimate coward that he was at heart, he killed himself and let his former supporters swing in the wind (literally) and his subjugated citizens and their progeny pay the price to this day.
hatukazi
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 07:08 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;51952 wrote:
FIXT.


if AQ did not attack new york would we have a patriot act?
if AQ did not attack new york would we have American citizens dying in Afghanistan?
if AQ did not attack new york would GW have been able to convince us into Iraq?

I believe your original question was if AQ had not attacked new york would they be good guys? well there was a time when America thought they were, so much so, in fact that we even supplied them with the weapons they were using to fight the Russians for us.

so I guess the real "if" question should be is, if the US had left other countries to their own devices would we be in the world of sh*t we find ourselves in now?
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 08:14 pm
@hatukazi,
hatukazi;51956 wrote:
where do I begin?

much like our government, the national socialist party (which did not start out as a political power) chose the King of Liars as there leader and he then used the press to spread his lies, deciet and misinformation regarding his false flag terror operations against his own country to spread his hateful twisted propaganda much to the detriment and eventual ruin of "his" country.

then , ultimate coward that he was at heart, he killed himself and let his former supporters swing in the wind (literally) and his subjugated citizens and their progeny pay the price to this day.


Now Bush is Hitler and oil is cocaine? Let me guess what's the next connection you come up with-- the Easter bunny is Santa Claus?
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 08:15 pm
@hatukazi,
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I believe your original question was if AQ had not attacked new york would they be good guys? well there was a time when America thought they were, so much so, in fact that we even supplied them with the weapons they were using to fight the Russians for us.


I'm pretty sure we just thought the Russians were the bigger assholes, and you know how the old saying goes.
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