Tartar, Most of us understand the motivations for these photo ops, but let's give some credit to our military that really appreciated both Hillary and GWBush's visit. That had value IMHO.
ci
Yes, of course it was wonderful to see those guys/gals happy. But...
they were props for PR. At election time when excerpts are run in the glorious leader tv ads, perhaps they'll put a circle around each smiling face which no longer exists as a living human.
It wasn't about them. Which of course it pretends to be. Compassionate warmongering.
blatham wrote:I think I'll just walk around my house naked all day, eating nothing but ice cream and fried chicken, listening to some Ira Gershwin songs and trying to remember inspirational words from my grandma.
Gershwin and fried chicken just don't go together.
Switch to Johnny Cash or switch to potatoes and tomatoes (long a). :wink:
on today's BBC news(shown here on the CBC network) a reporter spent time with some u.s. soldiers in afghanistan on patrol in the northern territories. they came under some pretty nasty attacks and you certainly did not see any smiling faces; instead you saw tears welling up when they spoke of their comrades that had been killed in action. a less inspiring picture (and sound) than shown from baghdad. i'm sure president bush's visit gave the soldiers a temporary lift - but how long is it going to last ??? hbg
Someone that will not be swayed .....
Quote:Iraq's transition plan in tatters
* Hillary Clinton in Baghdad, wants wider world role
* US soldier, former Iraqi general die
* Ex-Saddam bodyguard nabbed
* US okays more troops
BAGHDAD: The US-led coalition and interim Iraqi leadership were left scrambling for position on Friday after the powerful Shia hierarchy rejected their newly unveiled plans for an accelerated handover of sovereignty and demanded immediate polls.
On the record, US officials said only that they were considering the way forward after top Shia cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani rejected the arcane system of indirect selection by caucus they announced two weeks ago to get a caretaker government in place by June next year. But off the record, a senior official told the Washington Post that the prior polls, which the coalition has so far resisted, were now a "possibility" and appeared to give the top cleric a veto over the agreement they signed with the US-installed interim leadership on November 15.
"If he says no to the caucuses, then we have to figure out a way to get elections done," the official was quoted as saying by the Post. "We're scrambling to find a solution." The Shia cleric's demand hit at the heart of the coalition's plans for a rapid transfer of sovereignty by highlighting the gap between its promises of post-Saddam democracy and its new plans to hand power to a government designated by a transitional assembly chosen by caucuses of selected notables.
"We're going to discuss Ayatollah Sistani's proposal and council president Jalal Talabani will inform him of the results of our discussions," said council member Rajaa Khuzai, a Shiite secularist.
US President George W Bush met with four members of the council during his lightning stopover here Thursday evening and briefly discussed the handover. Bush told the travelling press that he had "reminded them ... that it's up to them to seize the moment, to have a government that recognizes all rights, the rights of the majority and the rights of the minority".
Former US first lady Hillary Clinton called for a wider international role in running Iraq, but doubted the US administration would cede much control in the country. "I'm a big believer that we ought to internationalise this, but it will take a big change in our administration's thinking," Clinton said during a nearly 10-hour visit to Baghdad where she met with US troops, military chiefs and civilian officials including US administrator Paul Bremer.
The US on Wednesday said it would send thousands of extra marines to Iraq. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has approved the deployment of three fresh marine battalions, the Pentagon said. The battalions will mean about 3,000 extra troops on top of those already planned for rotation with existing force in Iraq.
A mortar attack on a US base in Iraq killed an American soldier on Friday, hours after President George W Bush made a secret visit to Baghdad. A US soldier died from a gunshot wound he received while in barracks in the flashpoint western Iraqi town of Ramadi, the coalition press office said late Thursday.
Major General Abed Hamed Mowhoush, a general of Saddam Hussein's dissolved armed forces, has died under interrogation by US forces. Major General Abed Hamed Mowhoush, a former air defence commander, died Wednesday morning, said the statement issued from the western town of al-Qaim in the troubled Syrian border region.
An Iraqi motorist was gunned down in error by US troops in the heavily guarded main square of this northern oil centre in the sixth such incident of recent months, police said. Two young Iraqi sisters were killed by US troops near Baqubah. Former bodyguard of deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was arrested during a US army raid north of the hotspot city of Ramadi, west of Baghdad. ?-Agencies
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CNN, this morning, reported that most of the soldiers (other than those few chosen to be inside the hanger) didn't even know of the president's visit this morning until the news media asked them about it. They were not encouraged by his presence........they were mostly uninterested. What they're interested in is when they can go home and be with their families again.
Those traitors! They should be shot!
CI -- The point I was making (and which I think Blatham also makes) is that these soldiers have been political tools in the hands of the Bush administration -- as soldiers in Iraq and as photo-ops for the administration. It's very nice that they were cheered up, if that's the case, but it doesn't change the basic equation which puts these guys at the mercy of an administration which is using them... badly... for its own political purposes. (I'd like to have heard their conversation after Bush left...)
As for food to eat while listening to Gershwin, you happen to be talking about my first love (and I still love him). So no food is appropriate. Rapt adoration and a little dance here and there doesn't leave room for crass food.
After 15,000+ Iraqis and 300+ Americans dead, I would hope they'll be honest about Iraq's WMD program, but that's a little too late. The dead are dead, and more are dying every day. They are now claiming, they may have been wrong. Jeeesh!
That is not at all what was written. Jeeesh indeed.
For balance on Cohen's statement, one would be advised to read the following.
Quote:The invasion and conquest of Iraq by the United States last spring was the result of what is probably the least ambiguous case of the misreading of secret intelligence information in American history. Whether it is even possible that a misreading so profound could yet be in some sense "a mistake" is a question to which I shall return. Going to war was not something we were forced to do and it certainly was not something we were asked to do. It was something we elected to do for reasons that have still not been fully explained.
The official argument for war, pressed in numerous speeches by President Bush and others, failed to convince most of the world that war against Iraq was necessary and just; it failed to soften the opposition to war by longtime allies like France and Germany; and it failed to persuade even a simple majority of the Security Council to vote for war despite immense pressure from Washington. The President's argument was accepted only by the United States Congress, which voted to give him blanket authority to attack Iraq, and then kept silent during the worldwide debate that followed. The entire process?-from the moment it became unmistakably clear that the President had decided to go to war in August 2002, until his announcement on May 1 that "major combat" was over?-took about nine months, and it will stand for decades to come as an object lesson in secrecy and its hazards.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16813
Quote, "If we eventually are proven wrong—that is, that there were no weapons of mass destruction and the WMD programs were dormant or abandoned—the American people will be told the truth; we would have it no other way."
What is written c.i. is that the truth will be known, one way or the other, no matter who may be inconvenienced, or in what manner. There is nothing else there.
Inconvenienced?

I hardly consider the dead (of both sides) to have been "inconvenienced!"
Quote:"The last time we followed instructions from a Bush, we wandered the desert for forty years."
--my Jewish father-in-law
(edited to correct a chronological gaffe by Papi-in-law -- thanks to that renowned biblical scholar, blatham :wink: )
Let's keep an eye on that Cohen fella and see which boards he's appointed to, what sudden upticks become noticeable in his "life-style"!!
Inconvienced Indeed!!!
All those deaths and those wounded and maimed. Let's be real. This President was going to invade Iraq no matter what. God instructed him to do so. Now the Iraqis will just have to be inconvienced some more and more Americans will need to die, be wounded &/or maimed. How can we disagree with the instructions of God?
Iraq will never be a Democracy. Hell, America is not a Demcracy. Come on folks, time for some reality.
pd
Your jewish father-in-law must have read the Readers Digest Condensed old testament.