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THE US, UN AND IRAQ V

 
 
Fedral
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 12:52 pm
I come from a long line of soldiers, many of whom have given up pieces of themselves, or even their lives in wars. I served myself and actually had to do something I hope NONE of you ever has to do. That is take a human life.

I am no fan of war, nor am I a believer that the United States are always right in all they do. BUT, I am also not one of those who believes that we should stand at our borders, shivering in fear and indecision waiting for the next public opinion poll to come out before we do what we think is right.

War is terrible, but to do nothing because we lack the courage to do what we think is right is even more terrible.

Setana, my belief that Saddam represented a clear threat at the time of the war is based upon the evidence I saw at that time. That much of the evidence was later to be found to be incorrect or ambiguous at best doesn't change that fact that: At the time of the war, we believed that Saddam posed a direct threat to the U.S.A. and the rest of the World.

Once the war was begun, it was a little late to say 'Oops, sorry here is your country back you sad insane bastard'

The problem seems to be, that so many of you are arguing about whether we should have attacked in the first place, you are missing an important point.
WE ALREADY ATTACKED
So instead of endless haranguing about what should or shouldn't have been done before the war started, how about some suggestions about what needs to be done in Iraq to help the people there.

Unless of course you think we should tell Sadam that we're sorry and give him his country back? Shocked
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 01:42 pm
Setanta, A better heading for the new thread would have been, 'The war on terror'. It's encompassing so much more than Iraq and the UN, no?
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 01:50 pm
But we will never know if you are politely refraining from the application of brute force, or simply can't muster it up on the internet. Well, thanks for not wasting everyone who disagrees, anyway.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 03:30 pm
Thanks, Set, for the fresh air, and thanks, Walter, for the heads-up...

Though I wish the feds would quit lousing things up...
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 04:03 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Welcome back to the Middle Ages.

Hey, I resemble that remark! Very Happy
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 04:06 pm
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At the time of the war, we believed that Saddam posed a direct threat to the U.S.A. and the rest of the World.

Who was "we?" The weapons inspection folks certainly did not. Neither did most of Europe and Asia. Most of teh American public didn't either.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 04:46 pm
There are solutions.
The USA Govt. launched an illegal pre-emptive attack on a country that posed no imminent threat to the USA. Put the people that launched this attack on trial.

Pull the US troops out within 90 days and beg the UN and NATO to supervise the "real" Iraqi Govt. process and place security forces of all UN & NATO forces with Iraqi Army and Police as security. Stop the Emiprialistic Occupation.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 05:20 pm
Brand X wrote:
Setanta, A better heading for the new thread would have been, 'The war on terror'. It's encompassing so much more than Iraq and the UN, no?


Just attempting to live up to my obligation as a human bean to be hide-bound by tradition.

"By God, if The US, UN and Iraq was good enough for Jespah, McTag and all the rest, it's good enough for me! ! !"
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 05:25 pm
Fedral wrote:
Setana, my belief that Saddam represented a clear threat at the time of the war is based upon the evidence I saw at that time. That much of the evidence was later to be found to be incorrect or ambiguous at best doesn't change that fact that: At the time of the war, we believed that Saddam posed a direct threat to the U.S.A. and the rest of the World.


I would not quibble that a discussion of why we went to war is a moot point for those who have to deal with the situation "on the ground" in Iraq. We are not on the ground in Iraq. This is a discussion forum, where such points are intended to be mooted. Finally, this is the fifth in a series of threads entitled "The US, UN and Iraq" which (i believe) Jespah initiated well before the war. The thread has a life of its own, and i am making my small contribution to its sustenance.

As to your statement to the effect that: "At the time of the war, we believed that Saddam posed a direct threat to the U.S.A. and that rest of the world."--i can only comment that i formed no part of the "we" to whom you refer, and would suggest to you that the belief was by no means universally held in the United States.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 05:26 pm
Sooooo.....they couldn't get him on espionage, so instead they are getting him for dirty pictures and cheating on his wife?!? Shocked
[/quote]James Yee...threat to security, or horny soldier?

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Ex-Muslim Chaplain at Guantanamo Charged
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Nov 25, 4:29 PM (ET)

By PAISLEY DODDS



SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) - A Muslim chaplain who served at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was charged Tuesday with adultery and storing pornography on a government computer, a U.S. Southern Command spokesman said.

Army Capt. James Yee, who worked at the prison camp for terror suspects in eastern Cuba, was released from custody Tuesday after being served with the additional charges, Raul Duany, a spokesman for U.S. Southern Command in Miami, told The Associated Press.

He was arrested earlier this year in Florida and confined to the military brig in Charleston, S.C.

Military officials brought the additional charges after an investigation, Duany said. The charges include storing pornographic images on his computer, having sexual relations outside marriage, disobeying an order and making a false official statement.

Yee, who also uses the first Yousef, will be sent to Fort Benning, Ga., where he will continue to perform religious duties but will be barred from having any contact with prisoners at Guantanamo, Duany said.

Yee, a Chinese-American who converted to Islam after graduating from West Point, was arrested Sept. 10 in Jacksonville, Fla.

Federal agents said they found the native of Springfield, N.J., carrying sketches of the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, where he counseled prisoners accused of links to Afghanistan's deposed Taliban regime or the al-Qaida terror network.

Once a chaplain at Fort Lewis, Wash., Yee was charged on Oct. 10 with disobeying a general order by taking classified material home and transporting classified information without proper security containers.

His wife, Huda Suboh, 29, lives in Olympia, Wash., with their two young children. She was not immediately available for comment on Tuesday but earlier defended his innocence.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 05:27 pm
Ya might want ta fix yer "URL" code there, Boss . . .
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 05:29 pm
Fixed.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 06:57 pm
Unwarranted, preemptive, precipitate and premature action!!
Set, I believe you moved my thread without UN sanction. You will be hearing from the International Court of Law at The Hague.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 07:47 pm
May I recommend my law firm .... Dewey, Cheatam and Howe...
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 08:11 pm
bookmark
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 08:13 pm
I plead the fifth, McT . . . it's been so long since i took strong drink, it quickly overwhelmed my judgment . . .
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2003 06:15 am
Quote:
Precendence is not an excuse for posteriority.


Good one Gautam

what does it mean btw? Very Happy
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the prince
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2003 06:21 am
Steve, I have no idea Laughing

Actually, was my english wrong ? You know that I am not a native speaker of the language.....

What I meant to say is just because you did something once upon a time, you can continue to keep doing so.....

Was just hoping to adjudicate my philistine simulacrum by being erudite Wink
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2003 06:46 am
The Bush family and war .... truth or fiction?

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Michael Kranish at the Boston Globe discussed this in an April 23, 2001 piece titled "Triumphs, Troubles Shape Generations," that explored some of the Bush family's past troubling connections. It began like this:

Prescott Bush was surely aghast at a sensational article the New York Herald Tribune splashed on its front page in July 1942.

"Hitler's Angel Has 3 Million in US Bank," read the headline above a story reporting that Adolf Hitler's financier had stowed the fortune in Union Banking Corp., possibly to be held for "Nazi bigwigs." Bush knew all about the New York bank: He was one of its seven directors. If the Nazi tie became known, it would be a potential "embarrassment," Bush and his partners at Brown Brothers Harriman worried, explaining to government regulators that their position was merely an unpaid courtesy for a client. The situation grew more serious when the government seized Union's assets under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the sort of action that could have ruined Bush's political dreams.

As it turned out, his involvement wasn't pursued by the press or political opponents during his Senate campaigns a decade later. But the episode may well have been one of the catalysts for a dramatic change in his life. Just as the Union Banking story broke, Bush volunteered to be chairman of United Service Organizations, putting himself on the national stage for the first time. He traveled the country raising millions of dollars to help boost the morale of US troops during World War II, enhancing his stature in a way that helped him get elected US senator. A son and grandson would become presidents.


SOURCE
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2003 07:03 am
Enough sophmore fun here!
Mere flip, shallow flirty.
One must hug a Repub
to get REAL down and dirty

... a lovely exchange between two writers at Slate...

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http://slate.msn.com/id/2091666/
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