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THE US, UN AND IRAQ V

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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 12:32 pm
Sounds like somebody doesn't have an answer ..... hmpf
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 12:33 pm
I don't recall Tommy Franks as claiming to be an Intellectual. Nor do I recall anyone on this forum claiming to be an intellectual. Just what is an "intellectual" perception? or do you just mean anyone that thinks?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 12:33 pm
BTW, you never told us...what are the "magnificent achievements of our troops?"
Also, tell us your understanding of the difference between imperialism and the actions of the Bush administration. Your earlier definition (transferring wealth from a conquered land to the occupier, etc...) was a description of the actions of the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 12:50 pm
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I could have written that myself. But you do it so much better.
Coming from you Kara, I really appreciate that, all I can say is Embarrassed

Perc wrote

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Steve wrote:
But there is another logic. I don't believe Bush or his coterie of neocons are as dumb as their actions lead one to believe


Congrats again Steve


I meant the brainpower on average in American policy and decision forums is pretty impressive, which if you exclude the President, makes it damn well formidable. Very Happy
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:12 pm
hobitbob wrote:
BTW, you never told us...what are the "magnificent achievements of our troops?"
Also, tell us your understanding of the difference between imperialism and the actions of the Bush administration. Your earlier definition (transferring wealth from a conquered land to the occupier, etc...) was a description of the actions of the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Achievements----causing the rats to return to the sewars i.e., Saddam and his scum followers ----- rebuilding and opening schools after the parents of the students looted even the toilets. Rebuilding and opening the canals that have already filled the marshes in the south so that the "Marsh Arabs" can return to their former lifestyle. Creating an atmosphere where commerce is again on the roll and the freedom of speech is proclaimed by over 100 newspapers. Just a few magnificent achievements for you to scoff at Hobit.

If my earlier description of imperialism is a description of our actions in Iraq I'm certain you can give me a list of assets transferred to our treasury from Iraq. I will be waiting Hobit with constant reminders for your answer.
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:19 pm
dyslexia wrote:
I don't recall Tommy Franks as claiming to be an Intellectual. Nor do I recall anyone on this forum claiming to be an intellectual. Just what is an "intellectual" perception? or do you just mean anyone that thinks?


You only quote a sourse that coincides with your view of any particular subject. I would be more inclined to give your quotes, anecdotes and witicisms some credence if they weren't so one sided.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:22 pm
perception wrote:
hobitbob wrote:
BTW, you never told us...what are the "magnificent achievements of our troops?"
Also, tell us your understanding of the difference between imperialism and the actions of the Bush administration. Your earlier definition (transferring wealth from a conquered land to the occupier, etc...) was a description of the actions of the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Achievements----causing the rats to return to the sewars i.e., Saddam and his scum followers -

So you prefer not to think about the highly successful insurgency campaign?

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---- rebuilding and opening schools after the parents of the students looted even the toilets.

As opposed to maintaining order from the start and preventing looting?


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Rebuilding and opening the canals that have already filled the marshes in the south so that the "Marsh Arabs" can return to their former lifestyle.

Yes, the British did a great job.

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Creating an atmosphere where commerce is again on the roll

Because the most important thing is money, right?



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and the freedom of speech is proclaimed by over 100 newspapers.

Which get shut down daily for criticizing the Bremer Viceregency. In addition, both al-Jazeera and Arab News have been kicked out of Iraq by Bremer. Doesn't sound like freee speech to me.

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Just a few magnificent achievements for you to scoff at Hobit.

Well, you know us "liberal intellectuals," we actually demand achievement, not PR. Very Happy

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If my earlier description of imperialism is a description of our actions in Iraq I'm certain you can give me a list of assets transferred to our treasury from Iraq. I will be waiting Hobit with constant reminders for your answer.

Opening up of Iraqi land ownership to foreign investors, auctioning off Iraqi utilities to US companies, etc......
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:24 pm
Hobit

I'm anxiously awaiting your list----BTW-----provide proof---and anything from a partisan pundit, of which you have many, will not be considered proof.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:25 pm
and you on the other hand????
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:28 pm
Percy, every example I listed has been covered by the mainstream media over the last six months. It is good to see you thinking (after a fashion), though. Wink
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:31 pm
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig .........
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:34 pm
Hobit wrote:
Which get shut down daily for criticizing the Bremer Viceregency. In addition, both al-Jazeera and Arab News have been kicked out of Iraq by Bremer. Doesn't sound like free speech to me.


Another or your convenient lies Hobit. The current and former Iraqi leaders of the Iraqi governing council shut those papers down-----not Bremer. The reason-----inciting terrorism which is an abuse of freedom of speech.
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:45 pm
Hobit wrote:
Opening up of Iraqi land ownership to foreign investors, auctioning off Iraqi utilities to US companies, etc......


Not acceptable ----- these actions were initated by Iraqi ministers in control of that particular function.

I want to see a list of assets transferred to the US treasury because that was in my definition of an Imperialistic conqueror.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 01:47 pm
perc, I don't know where you get your information, but I'd like for you to look at the following link.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/04/sprj.irq.media/
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 02:04 pm
Perc, nothing is done by the Iraqi "ministers" without the say so by Bremer's staff. Even you should know that.BBC
Pertoleum
I guess I was naive to believe you would actually engage in honest discussion.
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 02:12 pm
CI

I suggest you go back and read the CNN article carefully.
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 02:21 pm
Hobit wrote:
I guess I was naive to believe you would actually engage in honest discussion.


Laughing The oldest ploy in the world for someone who has just lost an argument.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 02:25 pm
What the article says is that US forces shut down a newspaper - not the Iraqis.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 02:31 pm
And, of course, there is no right wing ideology. The attempt at ironic humor eludes me.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 02:36 pm
Perc, did you read the articles?
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