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Thompson on the rise

 
 
92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 02:46 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;23893 wrote:
Expound, what makes me "pretty much" a tool but not fully?


Because I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, given that you are young and actually engaged in political thought, as opposed to mindnumbing pop culture. Or maybe you are into all that too, but aren't so completely diluted that you can still have critical thought.


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What war?


The "war" that is over, but some people still think is going on.

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That's not bull****, that's truth. I'm not obligated to fight any war.


No, and I am not obligated to support any either, cool how that works huh? But if you want to pitch around that you support the fighting, so long as it's not you doing it, than I will continue to refer to you as a chickenhawk.

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No I don't.


So, you don't think we should be in Iraq fighting, hmmmm...


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For all you know I am going to join the military, bud.

And guess what? That's the plan.


Good for you, hope it all works out and you finally get to go support the Iraqis in Iraq, it'd be a real shame if we leave before you get a chance to give it all you got huh?
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 04:03 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;23895 wrote:
The "war" that is over, but some people still think is going on.


Why would I be obligated to help in something that, according to you, is not happening?

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No, and I am not obligated to support any either,


I never said you were.

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cool how that works huh? But if you want to pitch around that you support the fighting, so long as it's not you doing it, than I will continue to refer to you as a chickenhawk.


No, I'd support it if I was fighting as well.

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So, you don't think we should be in Iraq fighting, hmmmm...


I don't think anyone's obligated to fight in Iraq. I think the soldiers are obligated to follow their contract.

That's it.

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Good for you, hope it all works out and you finally get to go support the Iraqis in Iraq, it'd be a real shame if we leave before you get a chance to give it all you got huh?


Not really. I wouldn't make much of a difference in the long run.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 04:19 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;23912 wrote:
I never said you were.


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I don't care about Bush. At all. I cared before the war started, but now that it HAS started, it's too late. We failed to stop him. Now our failure is our obligation.

You can surrender if you have an obligation. I don't care about Saddam. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I care about our obligation. That's it. That's all. Got it yet?

Really? What makes it mine but not yours?

Yes, you are. It was every American citizen's failure to stop Iraq.

Further reason we're obligated, thanks.



You didn't?


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I don't think anyone's obligated to fight in Iraq. I think the soldiers are obligated to follow their contract.

That's it.


Their contracts that have them fighting in Iraq.

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Not really. I wouldn't make much of a difference in the long run.


You are a defeatist on all fronts huh? Your presidental candidate, your role in making Iraq better nation, what else?
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 04:32 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;23915 wrote:
You didn't?


Nope. Not once did I say you're obligated to support the war.

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Their contracts that have them fighting in Iraq.


Yes, but it's not because it's Iraq nor the fact that we invaded it for no reason.

It's because they signed a contract.

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You are a defeatist on all fronts huh? Your presidental candidate, your role in making Iraq better nation, what else?


Defeatist? No, a realist. I'm just not a blind optimist, believing something's true because I want it to be true.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 04:40 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;23921 wrote:
Nope. Not once did I say you're obligated to support the war.


I provided you with your own quotes, you might want to re-read them. Like the one where you say, and I quote (again) "Yes, you are (obligated). It was every American citizen's failure to stop Iraq."


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Yes, but it's not because it's Iraq nor the fact that we invaded it for no reason.

It's because they signed a contract.


Maybe you are diluted, damn, bad call on my part.

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Defeatist? No, a realist. I'm just not a blind optimist, believing something's true because I want it to be true.


You mean like the occupation of Iraq? Or that if we continue to stay there they will magically become a stable nation? Very interesting, and contradicting view.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 04:43 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;23923 wrote:
I provided you with your own quotes, you might want to re-read them. Like the one where you say, and I quote (again) "Yes, you are (obligated). It was every American citizen's failure to stop Iraq."


You're obligated to...

Pay taxes.

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Maybe you are diluted, damn, bad call on my part.


For a second I thought you might post something relevent to the argument.

My bad.

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You mean like the occupation of Iraq? Or that if we continue to stay there they will magically become a stable nation? Very interesting, and contradicting view.


If we continue to stay there it will remain more stable than it would become if we were to leave. I'm not believing it because I want it to be true, I believe it because it is true.

Tell me, why exactly would I want my nation to be obligated to put itself on the line for another nation?

So yes, a realist.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 07:04 pm
@Silverchild79,
Nice backpeddling, maybe you have a future in politics.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 07:18 pm
@Silverchild79,
Nice comeback, you must be getting tired?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 07:32 pm
@Silverchild79,
We must keep fighting Terrorist Islam, directly, without hesitation or apology. At the same time, however, we can't allow this struggle to bankrupt us. We'll need our strength to fight Red China, someday.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 07:44 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;23950 wrote:
Nice backpeddling, maybe you have a future in politics.


Where did I backpeddle?
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One Man Clan
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 07:46 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;23960 wrote:
We must keep fighting Terrorist Islam, directly, without hesitation or apology. At the same time, however, we can't allow this struggle to bankrupt us. We'll need our strength to fight Red China, someday.


We have little reason to be over there.

Yes, we were right in taking on Afghanistan.

Yes, we would be right in taking on Iran.

But that's pretty close to the end of the line. Only when our freedom (which we don't have, but whatever) is in immediate danger should we use force.

Don't overestimate the crazy Muslims. We have bigger problems.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 07:55 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;23956 wrote:
Nice comeback, you must be getting tired?


Funny enough, this kid is more than half your age and can hold a debate somewhere in the exponental of ten times better than you on your best day. Of course nothing more can be expected from someone whos life is defined by their post count lol.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 08:20 pm
@Silverchild79,
Oh to be so above it all, get nose bleed easy do ya? I'm your puppet.
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lancesorbenson
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 11:04 am
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;23966 wrote:
Yes, we would be right in taking on Iran.


We have no right to "take on" Iran. I'd like to hear a self-proclaimed libertarian justify invading yet another sovereign nation. It'd probably be interesting considering the inconsistent logic you're using to justify the continued occupation of Iraq.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 11:31 am
@lancesorbenson,
lancesorbenson;24090 wrote:
We have no right to "take on" Iran. I'd like to hear a self-proclaimed libertarian justify invading yet another sovereign nation. It'd probably be interesting considering the inconsistent logic you're using to justify the continued occupation of Iraq.


Who said anything about invasion, Detective?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 12:16 pm
@Silverchild79,
I like Fred's plug for gun ownership. Yipper. Guns don't kill. Liberals do.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 12:44 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;24093 wrote:
Who said anything about invasion, Detective?


Define "take on" Iran.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 01:37 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;24112 wrote:
Define "take on" Iran.


Bomb them.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 02:16 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;24121 wrote:
Bomb them.


So, would you feel an obligation to the people of Iran to secure their nation for them once we bomb them into a power vacuum so that the evil terrorist warlords didn't take over and become stronger than ever?!?!
lancesorbenson
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 02:25 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;24121 wrote:
Bomb them.


And how exactly do you justify bombing Iran? Are we "obligated" to bomb them for their own good? How the hell do you square the notion that we should engage in the unprovoked bombing of a sovereign nation with the fact that you call yourself a libertarian? How did this idea even enter your young brain? Do you even begin to understand the immediate and long-term consequences if the U.S. were to "bomb" Iran?
 

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