Thompson on the rise

If I remember correctly, Paul wants to stay in Iraq.

And that's why he ain't gotta chance.

Was this some kind of joke? Ron Paul has said repeatedly that he would begin withdrawing American Troops from Iraq ASAP. He would order policing of the streets to stop in Baghdad the day he took office.

Watch any of the recent political debate's.

I'm not opposed to supporting Paul. If he would change that stance.

Same.

I like everything else about the guy, but this stance is a killer for me. I consider this obligation VERY important.

Again, I'll have to watch him closely on this issue.

No "obligation" to any other country, is more important than our obligation to our own.

Fixing Iraq is not going to take a military action, that is counterproductive. We have achieved the "goal" Saddam is gone, they have their own government, it's time to let them run it or fail. We can not be the strong arm for them forever, if so, they will NEVER be their own people. Besides, that is not Americas mission. I seem to remember something about "No new nation building" "No world police", man, who said that? Oh yea, it was Bushiepoo

The Iraqis aren't ready. Not yet. That's what we should be debating, how to get them ready; not whether or not we should leave them to their doom.

You assume they would be doomed if we left in mass, since that has yet to be proven, it will remain your personal speculation. Fact is, we can not make the Iraqis take responsibility for their own country, and run it for them at the same time.

Pinoc, Giuli is not a republican.

No, it's truth, not speculation. As I've said before, we learned history for a reason.

And we can make them take responsibility for their own country, ONCE they're ready.

And here's a hint, they're not. Their military is full of insurgents, there's no way their government will be able to hold back the Sunni/Shi'ite onslaught that will result in us leaving.

No way in hell.

Like I said, this is your speculation, not fact.

Many Dems are going to be very angry when they witness just how similar to Bush, Hillary and Obama will be, when it comes to the Iraq War. Of course they'll blame everything on Bush, and back Hillary as a victim of Presidential inheritance. Still, the war will continue for a long, long time.

No, this is fact.

Everyone knows the Iraqi military and police are filled with insurgents. Many lefitsts cite this as reason to run away.

Everyone knows power vacuums are disastrous, especially when there are two or more major opposing factions, and little sense of unity, or at least the sense of unity is stronger with smaller groups. Even the Britons of 446 AD knew this, why so many people don't get the concept baffles me.

EDIT: What the hell? Did I say "Britains"?

Granted, reports are dim indeed. We don't trust Iraqis enough to give them free weapons of ours, and their leaders and opportunist are running off with the billions we are giving them for arms and other logistics. I know, lets stay there for twenty + years and continue the cycle, yea, yea that makes sense. Or better yet, lets just run Iraq ourselves, yea, they be the 53rd "state".

And who exactly is going to fill this "power vacuum" you speak of?