Thompson on the rise

You're obviously implying an answer. DrAnal seems to think 2 to 3 million dead. I guess that's one theory. I could just as easily say the death rate will remain about the same, except Americans won't be dying.

I highly doubt you or DrAnal (along with 95% of Americans, don't feel bad) could find Iraq on a map, much less recite even a brief history of the country. Most of our "leaders" can't even tell you the difference between Sunni and Shia, but eveyone has an opinion on how we should run a sovereign nation.

I'm not trying to insult you,

but you admit you're too young to join the military i.e. under 18. I would encourage you to avoid the great American tradition of shooting off at the mouth uninformed opinions, and to read a little, study a little, expand your mind a little.

No genuine Libertarian would ever associate themselves with supporting the continued occupation of a sovereign nation.

BTW--"Doublethink" is a term used in Orwell's 1984, a book that everyone living in a democratic society should read.

Forced? No, as a man you should take responsibility and take care of the child. It isn't the states place to make sure you act like a man.

No, it shouldn't. I am not obligated to your moral beliefs, and you are not obligated to mine. You have no more right to push yours on me than I do mine on you.

"Yea, WAR!!! WAR!!! WAR!!!, you guys be safe, I'm gonna flip some burgers and argue with dissentors on the interent in support of the Iraqi people". Talk is cheap.

No, it's the state's place to make sure you live up to legal obligations.

I'm horrified that you don't think men should be forced to take care of their children. Should women not be forced to as well?

Yeah... I do. Because my moral beliefs are that it's wrong for people to force their will unto others.

Followed by your next statement....



Rectify your hypocrisy.

[My moral belief is in personal responsibility. You should be held accountable for your actions, you should take the proper course of action. The state shouldn't HAVE to force you to take care of your own children.

But money's not.

That's as far as an American citizens obligation to the Iraqis goes. Taxes. Unless they take further actions themselves, of course.

So what is it? Do we have a financial obligation to help them, or a obligation to patrol their streets?

Make up you mind, because our military is comprised of volunteers, it is no compulsory, are you trying to say military members are not citizens?

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No.

It's called a power vacuum. It doesn't take much historical knowledge to see what a power vacuum does.

Bull****. I can tell you the date Baghdad fell to the Mongols, the Timurids, and the Ottoman Turks.

Then your people skills are sorely lacking.

You assume that I'm uninformed, ignorant, unread, and unstudied because I'm young?

No genuine libertarian would forsake an obligation.

Yeah... I knew that.

As far as I know, the term "condescending bastard" was never used in an Orwell book, so I don't think I can cite it, but you get the idea.

So you're a fortune-teller.

So you can use Wikipedia. I would bet money that without your computer in front of you you couldn't tell me jack-sh!t about Iraq.

Yes. Plus you come across as a uninformed, ignorant, unread, and unstudied.

I've yet to meet a teenager that impressed me with their knowledge of world affairs. I'll break it down simply for you. There is a lot of stuff to learn. It takes a long time to learn stuff. At 16 you simply haven't had the time or life experience to learn much beyond the sh!t your teachers tell you.

What obligation? From the Libertarian Party's website: "It is time for U.S. forces to withdraw from Iraq as quickly as possible in a manner consistent with the safety of our troops." Interesting. No mention of power vaccums. They must not be "genuine libertarians."

Then why did you ask me what I was talking about? Seems pretty obvious to anyone as studied and wise beyond their years as you.

Some people just beg to be condescended to. Usually they're around 16 years old and spouting ill-informed, incoherent political opinions.

Yes. Plus you come across as a uninformed, ignorant, unread, and unstudied. I've yet to meet a teenager that impressed me with their knowledge of world affairs. I'll break it down simply for you. There is a lot of stuff to learn. It takes a long time to learn stuff. At 16 you simply haven't had the time or life experience to learn much beyond the sh!t your teachers tell you.

Ron Paul does not have cancer. Ronald Earnest Paul is the one on the rise. He has over 33,000 friends on MySpace, and over 17,000 subscribers on YouTube. Giuliani by contrast, has 1500 friends on MySpace.

I just read an article, and, apparently, Giuliani does not have an official MySpace.

Sounds like someone's ego needs a little deflation to me. Guess what? I read Nineteen Eighty-Four too. Does that make me God as well? Don't be so arrogant.

I'm not trying to insult you, but you admit you're too young to join the military i.e. under 18. I would encourage you to avoid the great American tradition of shooting off at the mouth uninformed opinions, and to read a little, study a little, expand your mind a little. No genuine Libertarian would ever associate themselves with supporting the continued occupation of a sovereign nation.

BTW--"Doublethink" is a term used in Orwell's 1984, a book that everyone living in a democratic society should read.

Eh, people like to pretend Paul is going to win.

I wish he would, oh I wish he would, but he ain't. This country's too far down the left slope, and the rope's been cut.

Shame, he's offering freedom, but the American people don't want freedom.

Man you guys are insecure. Project much? Never said reading 1984 made someone God or smarter than anyone, just that it's an important cautionary tale for people living in "free" society. The kid doesn't seem to understand the term "doublethink" and he asked me what I meant.

No. I know something about history.
Look at Britain after the fall of the Roman Empire. Textbook example of the effects of a power vacuum (all of Europe is, really, but Britain is an ideal example).

Yes, using Wikipedia I figured out who the hell the "Timurids" are.

I also know what their flag looked like. Tell me, is that on Wikipedia?

You want to know what I was doing last night?

I was studying how a bunch of toll-collectors from ports in Acre (do you even know where "Acre" is?) came to form the unified state of Germany.

Let's not pretend the Libertarian Party is built off of libertarian ideals, m'kay?

So, are you really a "pissed libertarian"? Defeated so easily? You aren't too pissed if you are giving up already.

When you constantly fall back on the tired canard of "power vacuum" you're relying on supposition. You can no more tell me what would happen in Iraq if we pulled out immediately, than you could tell me who's gonna win the World Series this year.

Yes. What's your point?

Good for you. I was reading about Murray Gell-Mann and quarks. We can sit and post obscure sh!t all day. Es meint nichts.

On what ideals is the Libertarian Party built then? If you think it's a libertarian position to support the continued occupation of Iraq, then you have a pretty odd understanding of libertarianism and it's historical origins and philosophy.

Yes I can. Studying history has a point, bud.

How wonderful. I'm trying to point out that I'm not ignorant, nor unread, nor unknowledgable. The only evidence you have that leads you to those conclusions is that I'm young.

Typical chickenshit warhawk response. As long as it's someone else doing the fighting it's alright, right up until you have to move your fat ass out of the chair to do something inline with your politics.