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Thompson on the rise

 
 
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:11 pm
@lancesorbenson,
lancesorbenson;22602 wrote:
What a perfect example of doublethink!


Whatcha talkin' about there, Lance?
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lancesorbenson
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:19 pm
@Silverchild79,
We owe them. Therefore we should continue to occupy their country, patrol their streets, arm Sunni radicals, kick in their doors in the middle of the night, etc.? These two beliefs are seemingly incongruous.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:21 pm
@lancesorbenson,
lancesorbenson;22612 wrote:
We owe them. Therefore we should continue to occupy their country, patrol their streets, arm Sunni radicals, kick in their doors in the middle of the night, etc.? These two beliefs are seemingly incongruous.


We owe them, therefore we should prevent a much larger tragedy by staying there.

If we leave, tell me what happens? Please, take a guess.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:22 pm
@Silverchild79,
I say two to three million dead?
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:45 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22613 wrote:
We owe them, therefore we should prevent a much larger tragedy by staying there.

If we leave, tell me what happens? Please, take a guess.


Grab a gun and head on over there if you feel you "owe" them so much, or do you mean we as a collective unit as long as you don't have to do it?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:49 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;22620 wrote:
Grab a gun and head on over there if you feel you "owe" them so much, or do you mean we as a collective unit as long as you don't have to do it?

He don't have to, that's what we pay soldiers for. Oh you know that already.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:50 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;22622 wrote:
He don't have to, that's what we pay soldiers for. Oh you know that already.


Typical chickenshit warhawk response. As long as it's someone else doing the fighting it's alright, right up until you have to move your fat ass out of the chair to do something inline with your politics.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:54 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;22620 wrote:
Grab a gun and head on over there if you feel you "owe" them so much, or do you mean we as a collective unit as long as you don't have to do it?


I mean whoever willingly joined the military.

I wouldn't even be able to go legally, oh genius.

Man, I'm gettin' sick of you people saying that kind of ****.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:54 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;22625 wrote:
Typical chicken**** warhawk response. As long as it's someone else doing the fighting it's alright, right up until you have to move your fat ass out of the chair to do something inline with your politics.


I'm not obligated to do anything inline with my politics.

I can share my opinion freely, without fear of being forced into anything.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 02:59 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22627 wrote:
I mean whoever willingly joined the military.

I wouldn't even be able to go legally, oh genius.

Man, I'm gettin' sick of you people saying that kind of ****.


Why not? Too young? Too old? Brokedick? smoke too much pot?

I'm getting sick of you people hawking you bullshit politics at other peoples expense without being willing to take on the fight yourself. The military is not Bushs plaything, or his private police force to settle his pappies old scores, it is for defense of our nation, which, no matter what the bush lapdogs say is not going on in Iraq.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:01 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22628 wrote:
I'm not obligated to do anything inline with my politics.

I can share my opinion freely, without fear of being forced into anything.


You sure can, just all those ******* illegal criminals from mexico can fly our flag upside down and step on it, but don't expect anyone to give a **** about what they say either.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:01 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;22629 wrote:
Why not? Too young? Too old? Brokedick? smoke too much pot?


Too young.

Quote:
I'm getting sick of you people hawking you bull**** politics at other peoples expense without being willing to take on the fight yourself. The military is not Bushs plaything, or his private police force to settle his pappies old scores, it is for defense of our nation, which, no matter what the bush lapdogs say is not going on in Iraq.


Oh? So if it's to be used in the defense of the nation, should people who agree the nation should be defended be forced into service when it's time to defend it?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:05 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22631 wrote:
Too young.


Figured

Quote:
Oh? So if it's to be used in the defense of the nation, should people who agree the nation should be defended be forced into service when it's time to defend it?


Forced? Nope, but if you don't it's your own downfall. Never said anyone should be forced so don't even try to pretend I did.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:06 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;22633 wrote:
Figured


No you didn't.

That's why you asked.

Quote:
Forced? Nope, but if you don't it's your own downfall. Never said anyone should be forced so don't even try to pretend I did.


So you don't think people should be forced to live up to their obligations?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:11 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22634 wrote:
No you didn't.

That's why you asked.


Actually, yea, I did, hence it was first on the list.

Quote:
So you don't think people should be forced to live up to their obligations?


Wtf are you talking about? If you join than yea, if you don't than you are under no legal obligation, only a moral one to defend yourself, your freedom, and your country.


So, are you going to sign up to go fight in the war you feel we are obligated to be in, when you reach the proper age that is?
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:14 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;22635 wrote:
Actually, yea, I did, hence it was first on the list.

Yes... how did I not see that?

Quote:
Wtf are you talking about? If you join than yea, if you don't than you are under no legal obligation, only a moral one to defend yourself, your freedom, and your country.


So, if I get a girl pregnant and she doesn't want to abort, should I be forced to pay for the child, as part of an obligation?

Yes.

Because, you see, a moral obligation should become a legal obligation.

No American that hasn't signed the contract is obligated to fight in a war he supports. He's obligated to pay for it, if he's able.

And even if you don't support it you're obligated to pay it, as you are part of this country too.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:16 pm
@Silverchild79,
Quote:
So, are you going to sign up to go fight in the war you feel we are obligated to be in, when you reach the proper age that is?


I'm not sure.

By the way, it's not like you choose whether or not you go to war. I can't go to the recruiter and say "I want to go to Iraq!" and they give you a gun and ship you off.
lancesorbenson
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:19 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22613 wrote:
We owe them, therefore we should prevent a much larger tragedy by staying there.

If we leave, tell me what happens? Please, take a guess.


You're obviously implying an answer. DrAnal seems to think 2 to 3 million dead. I guess that's one theory. I could just as easily say the death rate will remain about the same, except Americans won't be dying.

I highly doubt you or DrAnal (along with 95% of Americans, don't feel bad) could find Iraq on a map, much less recite even a brief history of the country. Most of our "leaders" can't even tell you the difference between Sunni and Shia, but eveyone has an opinion on how we should run a sovereign nation.

I'm not trying to insult you, but you admit you're too young to join the military i.e. under 18. I would encourage you to avoid the great American tradition of shooting off at the mouth uninformed opinions, and to read a little, study a little, expand your mind a little. No genuine Libertarian would ever associate themselves with supporting the continued occupation of a sovereign nation.

BTW--"Doublethink" is a term used in Orwell's 1984, a book that everyone living in a democratic society should read.
lancesorbenson
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:20 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22639 wrote:
I'm not sure.

By the way, it's not like you choose whether or not you go to war. I can't go to the recruiter and say "I want to go to Iraq!" and they give you a gun and ship you off.


I think you need to talk to a recruiter. You can all but guarantee yourself as trip to Iraq if you want.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 03:27 pm
@One Man Clan,
One Man Clan;22637 wrote:

So, if I get a girl pregnant and she doesn't want to abort, should I be forced to pay for the child, as part of an obligation?

Yes.


Forced? No, as a man you should take responsibility and take care of the child. It isn't the states place to make sure you act like a man.

Quote:
Because, you see, a moral obligation should become a legal obligation.


No, it shouldn't. I am not obligated to your moral beliefs, and you are not obligated to mine. You have no more right to push yours on me than I do mine on you.


Quote:
No American that hasn't signed the contract is obligated to fight in a war he supports. He's obligated to pay for it, if he's able.

And even if you don't support it you're obligated to pay it, as you are part of this country too.


"Yea, WAR!!! WAR!!! WAR!!!, you guys be safe, I'm gonna flip some burgers and argue with dissentors on the interent in support of the Iraqi people". Talk is cheap. If you beleive in the war, than sign up and fight, as Lanceorbenson said, and I can back up, you are almost 100% garanteed a trip to the sandbox to liberate the Iraqis. If you want to excersice your freedom of speech, and support a war you are not willing to participate in, than I am going to excersice my freedom of speech in criticism.
 

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