Latinos divided on immigration issue

How would you propose removing a population, roughly the size of Pennsylvania, out of the country?

Last time I checked, we had a problem evicting a lone, little Cuban boy. Imagine what kind of CF we'll get into when you multiply it 11 million times?


Also, while you're deporting these illegals, what do you do with those that have kids who were born here? Wouldn't you be deporting American citizens, who could be atleast 20 years old?

It's one thing to say GTFO, but it's another to actually do it. Nevermind the fact that the moment you say that you're going to evict everyone that you will turn the climate of the country to that of Poland in the late 30's; and last time I checked..that wasn't too friendly of a time.

what do you do with those that have kids who were born here? Wouldn't you be deporting American citizens, who could be atleast 20 years old?

No, just because you were born here does not make you a citizen.

While I'd love to see them all gone, I know it's impossible. It would be pointless until the borders are secured anyways. Yeah, ok, so maybe you don't look brown. But I know plenty of hispanics who refer to themselves as brown, talk about brown pride, etc. I never said all of them do that, they don't. You won't find me making a generalization about races.

I know for a fact that many times illegals are discovered through traffic stops, warrants being served for others, etc. And you are right, police don't have jurisdiction. But they should either make the proper reports or be given jurisdiction to hold illegals until the proprer authorities can do something about it.

What does it say about our country's stance on illegal immigration if the police say, "Oh, you're illegal? Alright then, stay out of trouble. See ya."

what do you do with those that have kids who were born here? Wouldn't you be deporting American citizens, who could be atleast 20 years old?

You might want to research that statement.

That goes on all the time, but local authorities must respond to actual calls - not just do traffic stops on "brown" people to see if they're legal or illegal, as that would be unconstitutional.

Expand it? What good would that do? If they can't do their job now, how is making it even bigger going to solve the problem? They aren't using all the tools at their disposal.

Didn't Bush establish the DHS? Isn't the DHS responsible for border security?
Neither one seems very effective.

I think you keep getting Fema and DHS mixed up. They are separate entity's. They are very effective for what they have to work with. No new attacks speaks for itself.

Expand it? What good would that do? If they can't do their job now, how is making it even bigger going to solve the problem? They aren't using all the tools at their disposal.

Didn't Bush establish the DHS? Isn't the DHS responsible for border security?
Neither one seems very effective.

Let's hire more border patrol agents

No, just because you were born here does not make you a citizen.

About as much as being hispanic does to this immigration problem. I appears to me they make it an issue about there heritage, i see no problem with ndjs being proud of his.

It is only unconstitutional if you are a US citizen, you have no right if you are not.

Apparently you haven't heard of the 14th Amendment?


it's been around for a bit... almost 140 years

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I never said pull anyone over because they might be illegal. I said when someone is pulled over for a routine traffic stop and it turns out they do not have a license because they are illegal.. the higher authority should be notified.

Put the military on the borders.

Apparently you haven't heard of the 14th Amendment?


it's been around for a bit... almost 140 years

This was done in the 90's by the then President Clinton IIRC. Public opinion weend after some confrontations between soldiers and illegals.


Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to put soldiers on the border. Soldiers are used to fight wars. Federal cops are a better weapon.

By expanding it, I mean using the technology that we have been using in the WOT.

• Let's tap the phones of Coyotes
  
• Let's use UAVs to monitor the border. The trial programs in Idaho worked quite well nabbing drug smugglers
  
• Let's hire more border patrol agents
  
• Let's "embed" BP officers with teams of Minutemen
  

Yes President Bush established the Department of Homeland Security, however it isn't a new entity, rather an amalgam of existing agencies (Border Patrol, ICE, parts fo the Coast Guard, parts of the FBI etc...) and I'd say that we as a whole haven't been effective with Border Security no matter who the President. Nice Strawman though

If you hold citizenship in another country and are visiting the US, legal or none legal you are not a citizen of this country.

No, just because you were born here does not make you a citizen.

I have. I stand by my statement.