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"Is [God] willing to prevent evil, but not able? then is he impotent...

 
 
salima
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 09:19 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;117263 wrote:
I did not write that. I did not say it was a logical fallacy. It isn't. All I said is that it would make no sense to love God for being good if He could not be good, as you said.


no, you didnt write that-i did! Laughing

you wrote:
"those who worship God do so because they believe that God is good, and if you think that God is "beyond good or evil" then those people are deluded."

which i am saying is that as an if...then statement, it must be a Logical Fallacy, or at least a mistake.
kennethamy
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 09:22 am
@salima,
salima;117266 wrote:
no, you didnt write that-i did! Laughing

you wrote:
"those who worship God do so because they believe that God is good, and if you think that God is "beyond good or evil" then those people are deluded."

which i am saying as an if...then statement, it must be a Logical Fallacy, or at least a mistake.


Well thinking that something is so when it is not so is certainly a mistake. And those people think that God is good. And, if you are right, they are mistaken.
All fallacies are mistakes, but not all mistakes are fallacies.
salima
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 09:28 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;117268 wrote:
Well thinking that something is so when it is not so is certainly a mistake. And those people think that God is good. And, if you are right, they are mistaken.
All fallacies are mistakes, but not all mistakes are fallacies.


they may be mistaken, but i wouldnt say that if i was right they were deluded-see the difference?
besides, maybe i am mistaken...for that matter maybe i am deluded!
kennethamy
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 09:33 am
@salima,
salima;117270 wrote:
they may be mistaken, but i wouldnt say that if i was right they were deluded-see the difference?
besides, maybe i am mistaken...for that matter maybe i am deluded!


All I said is that if you are right, then they are deluded. I did not say anything about who was right. But I do think it would be strange if whenever people said that God was good, they were wrong. And, if God is not good, as you have said, there really is no real difference between Him and a fearsome god like Baal.
salima
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 09:45 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;117273 wrote:
All I said is that if you are right, then they are deluded. I did not say anything about who was right. But I do think it would be strange if whenever people said that God was good, they were wrong. And, if God is not good, as you have said, there really is no real difference between Him and a fearsome god like Baal.


oh kenneth, you taught me too well how to play this game! if i listen to you long enough i may develop some sense of logic after all during my last days...

look at your statement! all you said was if i am right but then you say you didnt say anything about who is right!!!

i'm not taking the baal bait either:D
kennethamy
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 10:03 am
@salima,
salima;117279 wrote:
oh kenneth, you taught me too well how to play this game! if i listen to you long enough i may develop some sense of logic after all during my last days...

look at your statement! all you said was if i am right but then you say you didnt say anything about who is right!!!

i'm not taking the baal bait either:D


My personal opinion is that you are mistaken. Everyone has a sense of logic, but it needs to be developed like any other skill. As John Locke said, God did not give human beings two legs, but then left it to Aristotle to make them logical.
salima
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 10:36 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;117282 wrote:
My personal opinion is that you are mistaken. Everyone has a sense of logic, but it needs to be developed like any other skill. As John Locke said, God did not give human beings two legs, but then left it to Aristotle to make them logical.


well, thanks for your help-i'll keep trying! i would rather be mistaken than illogical...
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 11:21 am
@salima,
I guess some of us are Captain Kirk and Some of us are Mr. Spock, I prefer to be a Kirk as well
kennethamy
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 11:24 am
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead;117304 wrote:
I guess some of us are Captain Kirk and Some of us are Mr. Spock, I prefer to be a Kirk as well


If those are extremes, you need not be either one.
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salima
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 11:26 am
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead;117304 wrote:
I guess some of us are Captain Kirk and Some of us are Mr. Spock, I prefer to be a Kirk as well


captain kirk was mistaken?

extremes are good-i like them both.
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 11:46 am
@salima,
According to Spock all things illogical are "mistaken" or at least ill chosen.
Amperage
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 11:58 am
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead;117316 wrote:
According to Spock all things illogical are "mistaken" or at least ill chosen.
though in some cases, like that of the things of God, certain things can seem illogical, yet they need not be. It's a matter of having the full scope, something we are not privy to.

It may seem illogical to sacrifice pieces in chess if one does not see the next moves in advance
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 12:08 pm
@Amperage,
oh geesh people I was being filppant
Amperage
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 12:11 pm
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead;117325 wrote:
oh geesh people I was being filppant
I realize that. I still think it was a relevant comment to add though
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 12:21 pm
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead;117316 wrote:
According to Spock all things illogical are "mistaken" or at least ill chosen.


Then he is wrong. Although I really don't know what he means.
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Zetherin
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 12:22 pm
@salima,
salima;117291 wrote:
well, thanks for your help-i'll keep trying! i would rather be mistaken than illogical...


I don't think a person can be illogical. I think, perhaps, statements can be illogical (and all this would mean is they do not follow). Non-sequiturs are usually illogical, for instance.

You've been logical throughout the conversation. You may very well be mistaken, but hey, anyone could be (especially concerning these God talks!).
kennethamy
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 12:28 pm
@Zetherin,
Zetherin;117331 wrote:
I don't think a person can be illogical. I think, perhaps, statements can be illogical (and all this would mean is they do not follow). Non-sequiturs are usually illogical, for instance.

You've been logical throughout the conversation. You may very well be mistaken, but hey, anyone could be (especially concerning these God talks!).


You haven't met my sister. Her arguments are something to behold!
Zetherin
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 12:37 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;117334 wrote:
You haven't met my sister. Her arguments are something to behold!


Are you sure they're even arguments? Sometimes people have no argument at all but their rhetoric persuades you into believing they actually do!
Amperage
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 12:44 pm
@Nitish,
I would think free will gives us the option of being illogical......well I'm not sure because then the "logic" behind our choice would be to act illogically
Zetherin
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2010 12:46 pm
@Amperage,
Amperage;117339 wrote:
I would think free will gives us the option of being illogical......well I'm not sure because then the "logic" behind our choice would be to act illogically


Tell me what acting illogically would look like?
 

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