"Is [God] willing to prevent evil, but not able? then is he impotent...

What exactly is not evil about a man who rapes and murders a thirteen year old for sexual gratification?

I simply don't see the justificaiton for evil when an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God (as represented in most scriptures) exists.

I agree that in the relative, sense meaning from human to human, their is evil but that has to do with group perception. if rape and murder were socially acceptable which at points of time they were (i.e. war, dark ages, prima noctra, etc.) it would not be considered evil. but im glad things are the way that they are in the evil sense of the word

Jesus Christ havn't you worked out that God is Satan yet?

What does the universe do? consume.
What does Satan do? consume.
What does the universe do? create.
What does God do? create.
What do you need to do to create a growth?Consume
What does God need to do? Consume.

yes the thought has crossed my mind but if he is due to the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent nature of god satan is god and their is still no evil their is only gods wisdom

"all is perfect, so perfectly perfect
whatever being lives, moves,
and breathes on earth
at every level from atom
to galaxy is absolutely perfect in its place"

the isa upanishad

Existence is evil.

I invented a religion a while back, here goes:

The universe to people is made up of two essential things, water and fire.
Water occupies positions and fire consumes. When creating one is occupied, when consuming one destroys. People should aim to be closer to water than to fire, we should fight destruction, and occupy ourselves with creation. We should fight fire, and become water - it's a salvation.

Now you have one choice: to hold a piss in?

(The answer is that if you hold a piss in you have to do something in order to do so, so one is more active thus more creative if you hold a piss in. But then the flip-side is liberation)

The religion is called Autramagodeiceit.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, with this fuzzy logic...

What does an elephant do? consume.
What does a mouse do? consume.
What does an elephant do? poop.
What does a dog do? poop.
What do you need to do to create poop? consume.

I think I just proved that dogs, mice and elephants are all the same creature, using your logic.
It's a new trinity! :eek:

Fuzzy logic aside, describing Satan as a consumer seems to miss the mark. What does Satan consume? From what I recall, Satan tempts. He is a representation of temptation.

Yeah, I know it seems fuzzy, but the founding principle of temptation is the desire to consume. Although it might seem that alot of things we are tempted to are not strictly consumables, like sex or illicit conversation, I think that the neurological basis of temptation lies in the desire to consume. Lets say there's a two month old baby who has learnt that when it screams it gets fed, it enjoys the comfort of being fed, so when it is slightly bored or lonely or unhappy it is tempted to deceive the mother by screaming when it is not hungry.

Anyway, most religious theories are pretty fuzzy; the truth, morality, philosophy - its all fuzzy.

Although I must say that I was drawing a comparison between Satan and God, namely that evil is a requisite for good - one must consume if one is to create, otherwise one would not have the energy to create...

I'm sorry I loose my balance after a while and start to write rubbish down, but I've taken a break now, so hopefully the bullcrap will stop falling onto my keyboard...

It would lay in the founding concept of (doing onto other's as want done onto one's self) this concept applied to the thought's and reason's why a god would or would not do an action would give understanding on why, thy would or would not do such...

That concept only truly work's if that one dose not lie to thy self.

Hence the reason why all thing's are in the state that there in now.

And why evil and good are still in existance, there is a true understanding and respect for each person's point of view and perception of what is deemed good, and evil. Mainly there is only two aspect's that could explain why such thing's are being done... One would be that a conscience god is displaying the act of doing onto other's as want done onto one's self, hence he would want other's to respect and not give such thing's to his point of view and perception of what thing's should be, so therefore he dose not do such onto are point of view and perception, also this same concept would explain why there is free will, and why all thing's are what they are in this physical and mental world's we live in.

Number two would be that there is no conscience god, so therefore the is not a single thing done to stop such action's.

But there seem's to be a more logical answer and that would be the action, and the displaying of the concept of (doing onto other's as want done onto one's self) mainly due to the fact that, that concept is a selfless act of compation and truly logical in its pureity.

These kind of thing's can never have physical proof to them, we may only prove such thing's to are self's, and to other's that share are point of view and perception of such... But are thought's can bring understanding, and are logic can make a list of reason's of why and why not could thing's be and are not to be...

So the answer is Yes and Yes, but also No and No... In one have there reason's why it is yes, and also why it would make it no in another way...

Mainly thy would not be willing, because thy would understand that thy would not want such done onto one's self, if thy was in the place and shoe's of evil, and held there point of view and perception of what there action's are...

A wonderfull question, and Im glad that you have posted such.

I dont like nor agree with the Judeo-Christian definition of evil.
If a child gets raped by a child molester I don't think that event is an 'evil' event, although it might be caused by evil, I think it is at best a 'bad' event, and if you want to explore language further you could call it all kinds of things, but it's not evil. Nor is death evil.

I think evil is the innate desire to consume, to multiply and the desire to destroy. So you might think that in this context a hurricane is evil, because it destroys everything, but then I doubt that a hurricane has any real desire to destroy, it's wind and it's just alot bigger than people; imagine if you were an ant living in the road, you'd have to call people evil for being bigger than you.

So, eating, burning, consuming, violence, sex and destruction are evil, and these activities have been prevalent in religion since it's birth.

That's just my opinion. It is based on fire, which I think is evil manifest.

true evil (if it exists) i imagine would be at least somewhat tangible. but since one cannot experience anything in its truest sense due to the subjectivity of mind, i doubt true evil exists in the human sense. However i know nothing of other planes of existence.

The original citation by Hume is:
"Is [God] willing to prevent evil, but not able? then is he impotent. Is he able, but not willing? then is he malevolent. Is he both able and willing? whence then is evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" Epicurus

(The first three questions refer to the contradiction between omnipotence, omnibenevolence, and omniscience of God and the existence of evil. The last question is referring to the last option, a "God" who can only logically exists by not being mutually omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient.)

God isn't willing to prevent something that you can prevent yourself. If you believe in something called God, Infinite, Source, whatever... then you must realize you are a part and expression of the One and therefore have the ability to prevent evil yourself.

People see contradictions because they 'divide' themselves and make it hard when the truth is really so simple it's right in front of you at every second.

So give me one lesson in preventing evil?

You don't need a lesson-you already know how.

I can assure you i dont, come on please tell me.

The Four Laws of Creation

1) You Exist

2) The One is the All. The All are the One.

3) What you put out is what you get back.

4) Change is the only constant, except for the first 3 laws.

It is essentially a proof that there is no god that is omnipotent, omniscient and all good. Since people do not like this conclusion that follows so clearly from the premises, they do a lot of hand waving and speak a lot of mumbo-jumbo to try to distract people from the fact that it is impossible for there to be such a god. Rather interestingly, much of the drivel that is dreamed up in order to attempt to defend god against this argument is incompatible with the interests of those making the claims, as they often are incompatible with the existence of an afterlife called "heaven", in which none of the problems of the earth are supposed to exist.

Now, of course, this argument does not prove the non-existence of other types of beings that have been called gods, such as Zeus, who, according to the stories of him, was generally regarded as not omnipotent, not omniscient, and not all good. Also, a being that was not one of the three things could still exist having the other two qualities. For example, if the being were very bad, then there is no contradiction between such a being existing and the world as we know it, even if that being were omnipotent and omniscient. If a being does not give a rat's ass about you, then it may not lift a finger to help you. Or, if a being were powerful and good, but exceedingly stupid, such a being could be compatible with the world we see. Or if there were a being that was omniscient and all good, but impotent to do much of anything, that, too, could be compatible with the world we see. The thing is, though, people who are accustomed to thinking of a being as omnipotent, omniscient, and all good do not generally like any of those potential candidates as an object of worship.

So how is that a lesson in me preventing sin.I dont think you have any idea but hoped no one would make the request.

All sin is evil, but not all evil is sin. So, if you were to prevent someone who was very drunk from driving a car, you would probably have prevented an evil. Again, if you are a policeman who prevents someone from committing forcible rape, you will have prevented an evil. There are a host of cases just like this.