Climate Change Politics

So you dont understand what I mean when I mention temperature rising ? If your life depended on it, you'd find the understanding. You are apparently not interested in coming to a debate with any honest reasoning but to play silly games of chi chat.

So you dont understand what I mean when I mention temperature rising ? If your life depended on it, you'd find the understanding. You are apparently not interested in coming to a debate with any honest reasoning but to play silly games of chi chat.

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Originally Posted by memester
Seems it's not really a good link... eh ? bunk ?

why don't you quote relevant points from whatever bunk site you are viewing ?

OK but lets hear your exact opinions. Have we temperature rises or not?

Discussion of this topic resembles religious discussion more and more. And, as in religious discussion, there are extremists on both sides.

Discussion of this topic resembles religious discussion more and more. And, as in religious discussion, there are extremists on both sides.

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Originally Posted by kennethamy
Discussion of this topic resembles religious discussion more and more. And, as in religious discussion, there are extremists on both sides.

It's got nothing to do with holding extreme views its accepting that we have a problem. This silly academic nit picking is ludicrous in the extreme.

Met Office: New evidence confirms land warming record

I posted this link for mem, to observe and make comment on but alas he was too busy nit picking his way through his academic reasoning. For most average souls the idea that we have a global warming problem, infers that temperatures are rising and show no signs of stabilizing. If this concept is too darned difficult to answer i suggest he gives his take on the global warming claims by coming out of his cosy closet and explaining his views.

While I do have difficulty understanding how an idea infers something, I'll go with my thought that many people will infer something from an idea. that leads to me say "So what ?". Many people would infer something.

As to your assertion that I will not disclose my position, I have made it clear, but you will not accept it.

I think that probably the earth's surface temps have been in general decline since life began, with rises and falls of greater and lesser magnitude, with smaller waves within the waves.

Whether we are lately experiencing a never-happened-before high stretch vis a vis centuries, or decades, or years, and the reasons for it, that is to be determined, and commented upon.

If we are talking about what surface temperature has been doing since people existed or since mammals existed, or since ten thousand years, - all of that is not clear in your line of questioning.

It uses all available surface temperature measurements

first thing I notice is this and that statement is of particular interest. We need to know what exactly "uses" the stated "all available" measurements. We need to see that they really are the "all available" - in that way the statement may quickly be subjected to falsification.

I would suggest that you might examine what you think it means, let's say with these as given:
that we are talking about unadjusted thermometer readings for part of the available measurements.
We would be talking about undjusted thermometer readings from this year, or last from year, and back minimum of 20 years like that ( remembering that much of the older evidence has been, unfortunately, disposed of ), as a "for instance", and those readings coming from every available station in Canada.

Isn't that logical to assume, as if they intended you to understand it like that ?

At last we have a glimmer of an answer. From this reply I assume you dont believe temperatures have risen? those temperatures that this link is referring to, that is.........

No, you cannot assume such a thing from my response unless you can justify infering it, somehow.

I was to comment on your link, and I did. Now you wish to say that you can infer this from from that - your inference being something which you have not justified as a reasonable inference, in any way shape or form.

It appears to me, that per decade, winters are warmer and summers cooler than when I was a child...but that has to be taken in consideration of extremely small geographical area , frailties of human recollection, addition of significance or importance to some events, short chronology, and so on. Massive pavement and building increases in my location, too. Winter ploughing and heavy salting that exposes the roads to radiation. It snowed a meter, the mayor calls in the army. 10 years later, Mel Lastman proud he called in army - thestar.com


In the end, it is not something to base global stategies on.

:detective:

If instead, the Climate Change Expert consensus was that we are entering an Ice Age, and I considered my locale, I would also be frightened...seeing the real dud of a summer this year , seeing colder summers repeated recently..knowing that winter temps might be "adjusted downward" to fit with urbanization here.

Scary !

Have glaciers and polar ice sheets generally grown or shrunk compared with 100 years ago?

But why do you ask about that particular time span?

Because it temporally corresponds with 1) thermometry data, 2) photographic evidence, and 3) mass industrialization.

So it's the time period of interest. Sure seems like a good proxy measure for global warming vs global cooling -- what is happening with ice all over the world -- is there more of it or less of it?

But there were glaciers in the south of North America 1,000 years ago too, And then global warming happened too. Why do you think that what is happening now is not part of a natural cycle?

So you accept we have global warming?

Yes, whatever that implies.

So the questions about the temperature falsification is a red herring the sceptics are using to deny its happening?

I will give you one more chance to give a straight answer to a very simple question. Im not talking about local variations or local causes for erratic temperature readings, as if you did not know, but global figures that this link is referring to. Not our human nature to recall warmer better summers or how cold it was when i was a child...Scientific , reasoned, responsible , accurate readings. do you agree or not agree that temperatures have risen, as the link indicates..Come on now no more dithering..