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The Confederacy was About Slavery

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 02:56 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
The only rule that the Engineers Corp taught me was that the invading army stands to lose more than the defenserd who are dug in.
The military strategies are always fighting the "last war". Today we have several levels of technology that make the "high ground" axiom a thing of the past.

Anyway, in the battle of Chatanooga the CSA was swept away in a day each from their high ground positions in the "Battle above the Clouds" and on Seminary Ridge.
The Vicksburg Campaign had the give and take of several hilltops until the actual siege and capitulation by the CSA. j Johnston had decreed that Vicksburg was indefensible so Grant capitalized on sveral errors ( and suffered from indecisiveness of a few of his own generals) but hills were traded like baseball cards until Johnston figured he could get really good terms if he surrenedered on July 4 1863.

Hills often merely focus the attacks (if competently done). HOWEVER I dont include Longstreets "charge" at "The Angle"on July 3 of Gettysburg as anything but incompetence. Here was a hilltop that was merely a well defined shooting gallery for Union artillery and riflemen. (If youve ever been to Gettysburg and looked over the ground, you would see).

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 03:01 pm
@BillRM,
That was one of Lee's problem; he had green subordinates that wasn't battle trained, and he didn't take that into consideration when he assigned them goals. Lee needed to provide those green generals with more detail which he failed to do.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 03:13 pm
@farmerman,
OOPs , I meant PEMBERTON, not Johnston.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 05:43 pm
@farmerman,
That was Missionary Ridge, Boss . . . Arthur MacArthur, all of 19 years of age, was made famous for planting his regiment's flag on the summit (6th Wisconsin? . . . the regiment from Milwaukee, anyway) and shouting "On Wisconsin." He's pretty well forgotten now, but his boy, Douglas, is still remembered.

In the modern age, the high ground is still crucial, but it's usually anywhere from several hundred, to several thousand feet above the battlefield, and may well be moving at Mach One or faster.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 05:45 pm
@farmerman,
I suspect you already know this, but the commander at Vicksburg, John Pemberton, was a Pennsylvania boy. He got the job as a sort of Confederate in-law.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 05:53 pm
@Setanta,
Even drones can be used.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 05:58 pm
You uneducated fools have two choices .
Either :

The Confederacy was about slavery because they hated the black man so much that they had to have slaves

OR

The Confederacy was about money made from primary industry and the slaves were a means to an end .

Finding quotes with the word slavery in them and holding them up as proof shows a depressing degree of stupidity . Why dont you try thinking ?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 06:41 pm
@Setanta,
Somea the best soldiers we got were Quakers.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 06:44 pm
@Setanta,
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That was Missionary Ridge, Boss
Too much churchin goin on. sorry
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Even drones can be used.


Only if your enemy have no air defenses at all otherwise the drones types we know about would be sitting ducks.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:01 pm
@BillRM,
Is that why the US uses those? You'll have to ask the defense department and the generals; I'm in no position to provide the answers you are seeking.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:04 pm
@BillRM,
Most drones have a very large radar signature but a very small heat signature . Their vulnerability depends on what generation anti-aircraft weapon you aim at them...the mark one eyeball and cannon round would work well .
electronicmail
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:05 pm
@Ionus,
They're not uneducated they're blinded by Lincoln cultists. Read this book when you get a chance
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Fh70pjiRL._SL500_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-big,TopRight,35,-73_OU01_AA300_.jpg
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Left-wing Lincoln cultists run the gamut from mainstream liberals to democratic socialists to hard-core leftists like Eric Foner of Columbia University, who lamented the demise of the Soviet Union. (In a 1991 article in The Nation magazine Foner opined that, unlike Mikhail Gorbachev, Lincoln would not have allowed the former Soviet republics to secede peacefully from the Soviet Union.) They are nationalists, like Lincoln, in that they favor a more powerful and more highly centralized (i.e., monopolistic) form of government that can better expand the welfare state, regulate the economy, or adopt socialism.

............
In recent years Charles Adams published When in the Course of Human Events: Arguing the Case for Southern Secession and it sold very well, as did my own book, The Real Lincoln. Jeffrey Hummel’s Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men is another hard-hitting and influential challenge to the Lincoln cult, as is John Remington Graham’s A Constitutional History of Secession. Professor Clyde Wilson’s book From Union to Empire contains dozens of brilliant essays that challenge many of the superstitions and half-truths that are the intellectual currency of the Lincoln cult. .... The South Was Right! by James and Walter Kennedy has sold more than 100,000 copies, according to the authors. Secession, State, and Liberty, edited by David Gordon and published by Transaction Publishers, contains essays by twelve scholars who all write favorably of the right of secession in a free society; most of them excoriate Lincoln for waging the bloodiest war in history just to deny that such a right existed. And Thomas Woods’s New York Times bestseller, The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History, cites many of the preceding authors to arrive at conclusions such as, “States had the right to secede” in 1861; “The War between the States was not launched to free the slaves”; and “Lincoln believed that whites were superior and favored the deportation of freed slaves.”
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Is that why the US uses those?


They used them where there is no air defense at all or at least very little.

The very fact we are now talking about using them now in Libya tell you that we had wipe that country air defense out.
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electronicmail
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:26 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
It's obvious that you have nothing to write worth reading--so i won't bother any longer.


I can only hope that I did not hurt your feelings by expressing my honest opinion that you are not worthy of cleaning up after Lee horse. Twisted Evil

Traveller is buried next to the Lee chapel and a fresh apple is placed daily on his marble plaque. The door to his last barn (directly connected to the Lee residence) is always left open so his spirit can wander free.

He was a great horse.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:27 pm
@electronicmail,
The irony is the USA doesnt like a President till they shoot him.....Lincoln and JFK barely got into office in their first term . Even whilst in office they were hated by many...but then someone shot them and made them heroes so now you are not allowed to say anything bad about them...sort of like political saints .
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:27 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
Their vulnerability depends on what generation anti-aircraft weapon you aim at them...the mark one eyeball and cannon round would work well .


Hell a piper or an ultralight and a shotgun should do. Razz

Keeping in mind the hell fire missiles some of them carry.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:29 pm
@BillRM,
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Hell, you would not be fit to clean up after Lee's horse, Traveller
I think he might be capable...bit of a tough one that....but he is certainly not worthy .
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:30 pm
@electronicmail,
That is nonsense however I had often wonder if the southern states had gone to the Supreme court to get a ruling about secession rights what the fairly pro-south court would had rule.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 07:37 pm
@BillRM,
Wewll, the Union Congress was working on an act to retain the states that had not seceeded yet. However, after Lincoln took office , the SOuth Carolinians didnt feel that their interests were served by not going to war. WHY had they advanced their date of firing on the fort even while Col Anderson had negotiated a withdrawal date of April 15 1861?. The SC's then opened fire on the 12th
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