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The Confederacy was About Slavery

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jun, 2017 09:12 pm
@Setanta,
You
ve gt it backward The Battle Hymn of the Republic was sund to the tune of John Bfown's Body, which predated it. It was a Baptist hymn before John Bfrown raided Harper's Ferry. I think it is kind of an interesting insight into the mind of the average Yank, that JBsB was an example of the folk process. It became an unofficial Union marching song early in the war, it was pretty mch abolitionist in sentiment, and it was a true exemplar of the "folk process", it wsas really a bundle of verses as soldierscame up with an idea which became a verse, and so it grew.

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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jun, 2017 10:52 pm
@izzythepush,
could he be a dozy pillok?
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 12:22 am
@newmoonnewmoon,
You must know that's bullshit, perhaps you may be thinking of another member who is hateful (there are about 4 - 6 members that come to mind) but snood is not a hateful man, not by any stretch.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:07 am
@farmerman,
He could, but he seems a lot more wazzocky.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 10:45 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Two things can be true at once, but not between right and wrong.
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 10:46 am
@edgarblythe,
He makes excuses for war criminals and terrorists. That one good measure right there.

What can be more hateful than folks making excuses for war criminals and terrorists?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:24 pm
@MontereyJack,
Actually, both "the Battle Hymn of The Republic" and "John Brown's Body" borrowed the tune from the old CAMP-MEETING HYMN.
"SAY BROTHERS WILL YOU MEET US THERE ON CANAANS HAPPY SHORE", a song penned in the mid 1850's and , since it had a catchy tune, it was appropriated into John Brown and ultimately the Battle Hymn...

The "Glory Glory Hallelujah chorus" was put together many years before and was used in number of churchy songs
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:26 pm
@farmerman,
I think tht this is an example of "irreducible musical complexity Wink "
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That wasn't remotely within the substance of my argument, but let's examine your comment

It is wrong to kill another person
It is right to defend your child, even if it involves killing someone.

Both things involve right and wrong and both things are generally accepted as true.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 03:42 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
It is right to defend your child, even if it involves killing someone.

Your analogy doesn't make any sense. It's not necessary to kill to defend any child.
Would you kill a child to save five adults? How about a hundred?
Do you know anything about "Save Private Ryan?" How about "The Hero of Hacksaw Ridge?"
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 04:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Your analogy doesn't make any sense. It's not necessary to kill to defend any child.


I can tell you of hundreds of thousands of such potential incidents, CI. Just consider the millions of children the US has slaughtered. Wouldn't you have killed a soldier, a politician, a CIA terrorist, ... to have saved any of those millions?

What of the US soldiers playing gook hockey, where they would hit children walking down the roads with military vehicles?

Finn will help you with this dilemma, I'm sure.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 04:52 pm
@camlok,
I've lived for 81 years now, and have never found any situation where I felt a need to kill another human. I've visited many countries (over 80), and never felt fear for my health or well being.
As a matter of fact, I visited Israel after their war (2006?), and my family and friends thought I was crazy. I also visited Egypt on the following month when German tourists were killed at Hapshepsut Temple. The place was empty of tourists, and our small group had the whole place to ourselves.
I take the normal precautions, because I often travel solo, but many couples often invite me to join them for tours or meals.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 05:09 pm
@camlok,
Quote:
Wouldn't you have killed a soldier, a politician, a CIA terrorist, ... to have saved any of those millions?

No. It's not my personal responsibility to stop killers. That's why we have the police and soldiers.
I have served in the USAF (Strategic Air Command) for four years, and worked with conventional and nuclear weapons. I was not dropping the bombs.
Our son, however, also was in the USAF as a Weapon's Officer. He directed the pilots on where to drop the bombs during the Gulf War.
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 05:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
No. It's not my personal responsibility to stop killers.


That's not what the US propaganda said about the German people who allowed their governments to slaughter at will. The German people had the excuse that their very lives were in jeopardy if they spoke out.

Americans can't use that excuse. Americans are supposed to speak out about government lies, crimes, ... .
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 06:18 pm
@camlok,
Quote:
That's not what the US propaganda said about the German people who allowed their governments to slaughter at will. The German people had the excuse that their very lives were in jeopardy if they spoke out.


And you believe America and Germany's history are the same? Do you understand the US Constitution?
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 08:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
And you believe America and Germany's history are the same? Do you understand the US Constitution?


I understand the US Constitution much better than you. I also understand that it has nothing to do with what I stated.

To wit,

The German people had a good reason for not speaking out against Nazi holocausts, the fear of death. Americans can't claim that excuse, and still they say nothing about US holocausts.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 10:08 pm
@camlok,
When anyone claims they're smarter - like Trump, I just ignore them.
You're now on ignore.
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2017 10:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Reality means absolutely nothing to you, CI. Bye bye you coward.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2017 08:50 pm
From Snopes:

The first Confederate national flag was widely disliked for a number of reasons (primarily its aesthetic resemblance to the United States flag and its attendant confusion with the U.S. flag on the battlefield), so on 1 May 1863 the Confederate States of America adopted a new national flag known as “the Stainless Banner,” said by its designer to represent the “supremacy of the white man”:

Our idea is simply to combine the present battle-flag with a pure white standard sheet; our Southern Cross, blue on a red field, to take the place on the white flag that is occupied by the blue union in the old United States flag, or the St. George’s cross in the British flag. As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.
That new flag consisted of a white field with a union in the upper left identical to the (by then popular) square battle flag used by the Army of Northern Virginia:
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2017 09:12 pm
Just for the record, I wasn't claiming precedence for any particular song, I was just giving the reader the opportunity to imagine the song being sung.
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