Israel Kills 10 in Palestinian Aid Convoy

@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

Why was there all this fuss ? All they had to do was be searched like every other ship...

Do you have any source that Israel searched any other ships in that part of the Mediterranean Sea before?

@Ionus,

The problem is that those ships were OUTSIDE of Israeli waters, and OUTSIDE of the recognized contiguous zone.
Israel had no legal authority to board those vessels.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

Why was there all this fuss ?

The anti-Semites like to throw periodic worldwide tantrums about trumped up nonsense. This is just the latest tantrum.

Ionus wrote:

and the reason they were succesful was probably because most of the boarders had empty weapons or were under express orders not to fire, that only one person had that authority. If that is so, it seems reasonable caution was taken on the part of the Israelis.

That isn't quite right (although it is true that Israel was reasonable). The boarders had paintball submachineguns, and real handguns.

They expected that these were peaceful protesters and there would be no need to open fire, so a paintball submachinegun was thought to be just as useful as a real one.

They probably all had authority to open fire with their handguns if necessary, but the officers, who were first on the ship, were overwhelmed and disarmed before they could do so.

The guy who killed most of the attackers was a staff sergeant who rescued his officers. He is likely to receive a medal of valor for his heroism.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

The problem is that those ships were OUTSIDE of Israeli waters, and OUTSIDE of the recognized contiguous zone.
Israel had no legal authority to board those vessels.

The legal authority to conduct wartime blockades is not limited to any particular waters.

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@Walter Hinteler,

They had searched other ships that day but the news impact is outnumbering any search for previous searches. Nevertheless, from memory, they have been searching ships since the blockade started.

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@oralloy,

Then it takes a great deal of discipline not to pull out your gun and shoot someone who is stabbing you or beating you with an iron bar or throwing you overboard.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

They had searched other ships that day but the news impact is outnumbering any search for previous searches. Nevertheless, from memory, they have been searching ships since the blockade started.

In that area? Does your memory tell you when? I'm sure that any government of any country would have protested if one of their ships had been searched in international waters - and, of course, it would have been mentioned in the media (including the Israelian Army Radio).

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Israel said the activists attacked its commandos as they boarded the six ships taking tons of supplies to Gaza, while the flotilla's organizers said the Israeli forces opened fire first.

That's from the article posted on the first page of this thread, opening post.

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@Irishk,

Well, I suppose, if someone enters my ship, I would attack him as well ... if he wasn't a policeman, customs officer, coast guard or such and acted within that country's borders.

Otherwise, the respond will be like responded to any other piracy act ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

I think other news reports have indicated that the other ships in the flotilla were searched without incident.

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@Walter Hinteler,

You would attack a countries military forces with an iron bar and a knife, despite knowing there was a blockade, despite your captain refusing to stop straight away so you had time to fashion weapons and arm yourself ? Despite the military firing weapons as a warning that they were armed and would use those weapons ? You must really hate Jews.

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@Ionus,

1. You would attack a countries military forces with an iron bar and a knife, despite knowing there was a blockade, despite your captain refusing to stop straight away so you had time to fashion weapons and arm yourself ?

2. Despite the military firing weapons as a warning that they were armed and would use those weapons ?

3. You must really hate Jews.

Anyone else notice the step by step logic that could lead to nothing but #3? That's just what 24 years of military experience can give you.

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@Ionus,

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What if they were heroes ? I know some men who are still very bitter when Fire Support base Coral nearly got over run. One soldier in the dark picked up a shovel instead of the sub machine gun in use at the time. When he realised he ran back to get it and killed several with the shovel before they killed him. No medal, just the men who know have a drink for him now and then.

Definitely not heroes. Illegal invaders, absolutely, war criminals, most assuredly.

Pretty bright soldier. Don't they explain the difference between a shovel and a machine gun in basic training?

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@JTT,

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Anyone else notice the step by step logic that could lead to nothing but #3?

Anyone find any other reason to atatck ? Love of humanity perhaps ? Like JTT ? Thats what being left over from the vietnam peace activists does to a brain...nowhere to go and a lifetime to be bitter and sick.

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@JTT,

Your ability to be stupid is exceptional. Do you dream of being tied and powerully raped by men in uniform ? It is all the fault of others, isnt it ? You are the only one who knows about breasts being cut off and babies bayonetted and yet you do nothing but post stupidity. What a lovely person you are.....

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, I suppose, if someone enters my ship, I would attack him as well ... if he wasn't a policeman, customs officer, coast guard or such and acted within that country's borders.

Otherwise, the respond will be like responded to any other piracy act ...

I wouldn't recommend attacking armed sailors in the middle of a war unless you are very well armed yourself -- and on a vessel capable of reasonable defense against anti-ship missiles.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

Ionus wrote:
What if they were heroes ? I know some men who are still very bitter when Fire Support base Coral nearly got over run. One soldier in the dark picked up a shovel instead of the sub machine gun in use at the time. When he realised he ran back to get it and killed several with the shovel before they killed him. No medal, just the men who know have a drink for him now and then.

Definitely not heroes. Illegal invaders, absolutely, war criminals, most assuredly.

Nope. The sergeant who killed most of the dead smugglers is definitely a hero.

And there is nothing illegal or even remotely a war crime about enforcing a wartime blockade.

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@oralloy,

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Nope. The sergeant who killed most of the dead smugglers is definitely a hero.

Jesus, but you're stupid, Oralboy. Do try to keep your events straight.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

Then it takes a great deal of discipline not to pull out your gun and shoot someone who is stabbing you or beating you with an iron bar or throwing you overboard.

What about the fact that the IDF had already dropped stun grenades and fired their guns prior to boarding?

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The case for self defense sides with the people on the ship.

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@failures art,

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What about the fact that the IDF had already dropped stun grenades and fired their guns prior to boarding?

Wouldnt they have dropped real grenades if they wanted to kill ? Wouldnt they have shot someone first up ? They were attacked for some time before the Israelis fired shots to kill. How badly do you have to hate Israelis to want to kill them with an iron bars and knives when they have automatic weapons ?

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