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Israel Kills 10 in Palestinian Aid Convoy

 
 
Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 05:44 am
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ANKARA, Turkey " Turkey withdrew its ambassador to Israel and canceled three joint military drills on Monday after Israeli commandos killed at least 10 people and wounded dozens aboard a Palestinian aid convoy unofficially sponsored by Turkey.
Furious Turkish protesters tried to storm Israel's Consulate in Istanbul then marched toward the city's main square denouncing Israel over the deaths, which drew condemnation from around the world. Arab countries expressed outrage and European nations with passengers aboard the ships summoned the Israeli ambassadors to their countries and called for an investigation.
Turkey, which currently holds a rotating seat on the U.N. Security Council, demanded it meet about the killings, which Prime Minister Bulent Arinc equated with "piracy." He denied Israeli statements that some on the ships headed for the Gaza Strip were armed and had attacked the Israeli soldiers.


Full article: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7030006.html

So, this is sadly typical. I'm going to try and predict the US response. My guess is nothing severe at all.

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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 07:04 am
Israel is bound and determined to shoot themselves in the foot.

From what I have heard on the news (and I admit that the reports have been sketchy) those were unarmed ships.
And while they were trying to run the Israeli blockade, there was no reason to shoot any of the people on those ships.

IF, and I stress IF, the reports are true that those people were unarmed, then the Israeli govt is in serious trouble.

However, I am willing to wait for all of the facts to come out.

However, my initial reaction stands for now.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 07:20 am
On the video attached to this report...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10195838.stm

At the 1:19 mark you can clearly see someone attacking an Israeli soldier with a pipe or a bar.
Now whether that was before or after the Israeli's started shooting isnt clear.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 01:04 pm
This is a story that is unlikely to end with a recounting that can be proven and with which everyone will agree.

What seems clear is that a major aim of the flotilla as was to challenge Israel's blockade and possibly to provoke a crisis.

Israel had previously urged the flotilla not to attempt to break the blockade and offred to transport the cargo to Gazza from an Israeli port - after it was inspected for weapons.

The organizers of the flotilla refused and so it is reasonable to conclude that delivering the cargo to Gazza was not their primary goal.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 01:07 pm
@failures art,
What do you think the response should be, and shouldn't it depend on the facts of what actually happened? Are you of the belief that Israeli soldiers boarded the ship nd immediately opened fire? Since they did not do so on any other of the ships in the flotilla, why would they do so on this one?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 01:10 pm
@mysteryman,
The situation is still more than a little murky. There appear to have been no 1st hand contacts with the ships since the incident last night.
The Isreali PM has expressed "regret" over the loss of life. He maintains that the troops resorted to force to defend themselves after being "clubbed, beaten and stabbed." He made no mention of the passengers or crew having guns.
I am still trying to understand the "international waters" part.
The video does clearly show that the scene on board was chaotic.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 03:14 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
I'm going to try and predict the US response. My guess is nothing severe at all.


War criminals tend to stick together. Guess who votes for the USA at the UN when the USA's war crimes are being discussed?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 03:22 pm
@failures art,
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The European Union's foreign affairs chief, Catherine Ashton, said the bloc was deeply concerned and she called on Israel to carry out an inquiry.


Yeah, like that's gonna work.

Ummm, you war criminals, could you investigate yourself and get back to us with the results.

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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 03:45 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
o, this is sadly typical. I'm going to try and predict the US response. My guess is nothing severe at all.


The rest of the world seems pretty unhappy about it.

Not that anyone's gonna DO anything.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 04:09 pm
Reporting live from Ramallah. Spent today in Jerusalem, atmosphere grew dense, shops closed for 3 days. Everybody is in a waiting mode, hopefully nothing serious will happen.
There were some peaceful protests here in Ramallah, people making paper boats and leaving them everywhere, lighting candles.
Tel Aviv and back tomorrow.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 04:15 pm
@dagmaraka,
Thanks, Dagmarka. We look forward to your further observations.
This could get messy.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 04:23 pm
@dagmaraka,
Thanks, dag.
Video from the ABC News this morning. (I understand there are now 10 dead.):


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Nine dead in Israeli raid on aid ship
Source: ABC News
Published: Tuesday, June 1, 2010 7:44 AEST
Expires: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:44 AEST

Watch Israeli forces launch their deadly raid on a pro-Palestinian aid ship en route to the Gaza Strip.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/06/01/2914627.htm
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 04:32 pm
@msolga,
Thanks for the new video posting, msolga. There is a bias, perhaps.
I don't know what to think.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 04:34 pm
@msolga,
Reuters video. (pardon the advertisement at the beginning.) :

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Protests over Israeli raid (02:02)

Street protests have sprung up in the Middle East in response to Israel's storming of an aid flotilla bound for Gaza.


http://media.theage.com.au/world/world-news/protests-over-israeli-raid-1528902.html?from=newsbox
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 04:50 pm
Isn't invading a foreign-flagged vessel in international waters piracy, no matter how you do it?
failures art
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 05:25 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
I'm going to try and predict the US response. My guess is nothing severe at all.


War criminals tend to stick together. Guess who votes for the USA at the UN when the USA's war crimes are being discussed?

You've arrived just in time. Thanks JTT. Without you, who would courageously step up to damn all of the USA.

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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 05:39 pm
@failures art,
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Without you, who would courageously step up to damn all of the USA.


That's spurious nonsense, FA, something that I'd expect out of the mouth of a Gob1, Finn, H20man, ... .

I actually said,

"Guess who votes for the USA at the UN when the USA's war crimes are being discussed?"

That wouldn't be damning all of the USA, just the, certainly generous, parts of it that are responsible for war crimes.

Have you ever started a thread pointing out that the USA has committed terrorist act upon terrorist act against Cuba stretching over some forty years, including spreading virulent diseases among the general population?

This killing of ten is reprehensible. How does it stack up against a hundred thousand in Iraq, a few million in Vietnam, what, 20 or 30 thousand in Afghanistan?

I know, I know, we don't do body counts, just a bunch of filthy foreigners and all.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 05:44 pm
Today's editorial from the Guardian (UK).:

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Gaza: From blockade to bloodshed

Nothing has done more to establish Israel's status as a pariah state among its neighbours than the actions of its armed forces

If an armed group of Somali pirates had yesterday boarded six vessels on the high seas, killing at least 10 passengers and injuring many more, a Nato taskforce would today be heading for the Somali coast. What happened yesterday in international waters off the coast of Gaza was the work of Israeli commandos, not pirates, and no Nato warships will in fact be heading for Israel. Perhaps they should be.

Nothing has done more to establish Israel's status as a pariah state among its neighbours than the actions of its armed forces. Israel's navy said it met with "pre-planned violence" when it boarded the ships and opened fire in the middle of the night. Their intention was to conduct a mass arrest, but the responsibility for the bloodshed was entirely theirs. Having placed themselves in a situation where they lost control and provoked a riot, the Israeli navy said they were forced to open fire to avoid being lynched. What did the commandos expect pro-Palestinian activists to do once they boarded the ships " invite them aboard for a cup of tea with the captain on the bridge? One of those shot and severely wounded was a Greek captain, who refused medical aid in Israel and demanded to be flown back to Greece. Presumably he, too, was threatening the lives of Israeli naval commandos.

There was nothing on board those ships that constituted a threat to Israel's security, so Binyamin Netanyahu's argument that his troops were acting in self-defence has no validity. They should not have been there in the first place. The convoy was carrying construction materials, electric wheelchairs and water purifiers for Gaza's people. This was recognised by the Israeli navy, who said in a statement that it had offered to transfer the aid by land to Gaza. Four years into a blockade mounted ostensibly to prevent weapons from being smuggled into the enclave, this claim, too, is utterly specious. Two years of pressure from Washington failed to persuade Israel to let these construction materials in, for the benefit of the 5,000 families still in tents after the ruin wreaked by Operation Cast Lead. If Israel was so obdurate to the entreaties of its ally, why would it now acquiesce in the demands of its enemies? The fact is that Israel has used its blockade not only to prevent Hamas from rearming, but also to impose collective punishment " as a boot which it applied to the Palestinian throat. This pressure on the jugular has the opposite of its intended effect. Defiance has only grown in Gaza, and the Islamic resistance movement is reaping the benefits " as any Fatah man will admit.

In one operation Israel has destroyed whatever hold it had over the international community on Gaza. It is not simply the fury that it has created in Turkey, which will only grow as the bodies of its dead are buried. Egypt too is complicit, because its government has sealed the southern border of the Gaza strip. It has done so amid mounting popular opposition, and as a nervy transfer of power in Cairo is about to take place. The Egyptian government will not welcome the intense embarrassment that Israel has caused it. There were many calls yesterday for the siege to be lifted, notably from Britain's new foreign secretary William Hague. After what Nick Clegg, his coalition partner wrote in this newspaper about Gaza last year, he could hardly do otherwise. But as Mr Clegg said, it is action, not words, that counts now.

The blockade should end, but that will only be the start of the U-turn which is now required. Closely allied to Gaza's physical isolation is its political one. The international consensus is also crumbling on isolating Hamas by insisting it recognise Israel before it is allowed to join a national unity government with Fatah. Russia broke the taboo first two week ago when its president, Dmitry Medvedev, met Khaled Meshal, the Hamas leader in Damascus, but other countries in Europe are now planning to follow suit. Brick by brick, this policy is coming apart, and in a strange way Israel is helping.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/01/gaza-blockade-bloodshed-editorial
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 05:45 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
I know, I know, we don't do body counts, just a bunch of filthy foreigners and all.


i believe the preferred term is savage
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 05:50 pm
Another view,

http://able2know.org/topic/145417-1
 

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