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@Ticomaya,

Ticomaya wrote:

Thanks for the update, Walter.

Well, you probably are really interested in this legal topic, Tico:
- only German males above the age of 18 had to carry the so-called 'Kennkarte"
and
- Germans above 15 who wanted to cross the border to neighbouring countries,
and
- all Jews.
By-law, from July 21, 1938 (RGBl. I, pages 921 et seq.).

Until 1951, there weren't any ID-cards as we know them now (and knew them before the Nazi time) in West-Germany, but the old Nazi 'Kennkarte'
was used by the US and British authorities in their zones until October 1951.

And according to Allied Orders, every German had to carry that "ID-card".

Here's the one of my wife, issued the day after her birth

When we got our law (see above), no-one was obliged to carry the (new) ID-card anymore under German law.

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Speaking of papers...

This woman got her state-issued ID back from the Florida DMV with a slight error on her address. See if you can spot it LOL:

Quote:

The line that was supposed to display Lineberger's street address was replaced by the vulgar message and the state Department of Motor Vehicles has no clue how the mishap occurred.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/weird/DMV-Renews-License-to-Eat-Ass-Florida-94316264.html

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Thomas wrote:
The foreign countries you mention solve this problem by requiring everyone---citizen or not---to carry a photo ID.

That's not true for Germany (see my above posts) - for German citizens as well as for foreigners.

It's what my teachers told us in school when we approached the ID-able age of 18. Are you telling me these authoritarian bastards were lying to us?

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

It's what my teachers told us in school when we approached the ID-able age of 18. Are you telling me these authoritarian bastards were lying to us?

Well, I did quite a bit of research about this, both when attending law school as well when studying at the history department.

But since I'm not of such an authority like your teacher ... perhaps educated under the the spirit of the concilium Constantiense ...

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

They are killing (not literally) my fellow citizens whose wages are driven down by the illegals, as well as my fellow citizens who lose their jobs to illegals.

Round up the illegals and deport them.

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@Brandon9000,

So, are you a Native American?

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@Brandon9000,

Sugar, I quoted someone here. I never distort facts.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I think the righties are angry that I posted the link to the fact that these drug cartels are probably being run by an American citizen.

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@plainoldme,

Who did you quote?
What was the context of the quote you claim to have used?
Where is the post you claim to have quoted?
When was the original post made?

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@mysteryman,

I recall she cited "AP", but no link.

I would also like the context, and background of the US drug dealer she refers to.

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@mysteryman,

It was in quotation marks. N'esr-ce pas? Go figure it out yourself. I detest people who can not follow the line of conversation.

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@roger,

You just proved yourself as dumb as mysteryman . . . look for the post of mine with the quotation marks in it.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Ehem - no police is asking them for their papers, by the way.
And out of the roughly 2.8 million Turkish co-citizens in Germany, more than one third has the German nationality .

Really?

If a German policeman stops someone who is suspected of a crime, he cannot or will not ask them for some form of official identification?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Really?

If a German policeman stops someone who is suspected of a crime, he cannot or will not ask them for some form of official identification?

If someone is suspected of a crime, she/he can be arrested.
If she/he has no ID-card (a driving licence is no paper of identification here), her/his identification is either got via police radio or at the station.

Since such may last some time (especially, if you're a foreigner and no citizen of a Schengen- or EU-country) it's certainly a lot better to carry your ID-card with you.
No doubt about that. But you mustn't carry it. (I think you must have your driving licence and car papers when driving - but I'm not sure about that.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Sorry for the wrong use of 'quote' above!

I just want to add that any policeman (in uniform or not) must show his ID-card, by law.

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@Walter Hinteler,

That may be true in Germany, but it isnt true here.
Police officers here are not required to show ID cards when asked, especially if they are working undercover.

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@roger,

I read the article about the American taking over a Mexican drug gang, but that isnt what I was asking about.

She claimed that she quoted someone on here about sex offenders and people with accents.
Thats the quote I was asking about.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

We're trying to have an actual conversation, Brandon, and not just hide behind tautologies.

"Illegal aliens are here illegally." Wow. Brilliant insight.

You had said that illegal aliens make up a huge part of the US work force, and I replied that that doesn't give them the right to violate our immigration laws. You didn't answer my point, so apparently not all of us are trying to have a conversation.

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
For non-citizens, being here is a privilege, and they cannot complain about being asked to carry papers. Many, many countries require visitiors to carry papers, and we have more right than most to ask this, since we are in a crisis in which we have millions and millions of people living here illegally.

That's true as far as it goes. Now let's talk about the practicalities of it: How does the police know whom to ask for their ID, and whom to take to the station if they don't provide one, without having looked at that ID first? The foreign countries you mention solve this problem by requiring everyone---citizen or not---to carry a photo ID. I have no problem with this; indeed I think it's reasonable. But you can't do that if you want to keep distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens. So how do you resolve this paradox?

You are now making a valid point. There may be little practical benefit to noting that someone doesn't have papers, since it may only mean that he's a citizen. However, that doesn't make it improper to ask. Furthermore, when the person's other identification is examined, such as driver's licenses or other items that supply a name, it may be possible to check with some database and determine that the individual wasn't born here and wasn't naturalized as a citizen, or that his story about his birth is phoney. Even if examining the person's ID is of no value, it isn't improper to ask for it.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

So, are you a Native American?

What is the relevance of the question and how is it a response to what I said?

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