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@rabel22,

With the Arizona law, anyone coming into contact with the police is to be investigated if there is suspicion that they might be in the country illegally.

On just a bare reading of the statute, it would seem to include those who report crimes, as well as those accused of crimes, as well as anyone who just comes into casual contact with the police.

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@dyslexia,

dyslexia wrote:

My last flight home from Australia, the young man sitting beside me was escorted onto the plane by 2 uniformed police officers, he was in handcuffs. As the plane was preparing for take-off the officers left the plane. Later in the flight he told me his visa had expired 2 years prior and following 2 years of court hearings all of which he was in contempt of court and so was forcibly exited from Australia back to the USA. I have no idea how this relates to Arizona immigration laws so I will leave it up to you to make a connection.

Did thay let him keep the handcuffs, Dys?

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@H2O MAN,

Pot and kettle

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Just as there are people boycotting AZ, there are people going purposefully to AZ to spend money. They call themselves the Buycotters.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

With the Arizona law, anyone coming into contact with the police is to be investigated if there is suspicion that they might be in the country illegally.

On just a bare reading of the statute, it would seem to include those who report crimes....

Could you please run us through the logistics of the process as you see it - say Rabel22 here (who doesn't understand the process any more than I do) walks into a police station and says "I've been robbed", what's the next step? Isn't whoever is taking down a report supposed to say OK, what's your name? Address? Occupation? Any ID?

How is the police to ever hope to track down criminals if the victims will not give adequate information? To quote Sherlock Holmes, "I'm used to having mystery at one end of my cases, but I don't see how I can work with mystery at both ends".

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@rabel22,

DrewDad answered your question for me.

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@plainoldme,

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Just as there are people boycotting AZ, there are people going purposefully to AZ to spend money. They call themselves the Buycotters.

Lol, like this is going to work. Arizona is already losing millions.

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@High Seas,

Kinda sounds like you're implying that illegal immigrants and the homeless should not be afforded police protection.

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@ebrown p,

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Lol, like this is going to work. Arizona is already losing millions.

Do you have any evidence that the people of Arizona, or the people of America for that matter, have changed their minds about this being a good law??

I mean that first week liberals where all over the media saying that people agree with this law because they just don't understand. OK, we have been talking about it for weeks, presumably the public has been educated. So the numbers have changed.....right??

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@DrewDad,

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"Kinda sounds like you're implying that illegal immigrants and the homeless should not be afforded police protection."

LOL. Being homeless is now a crime under Arizona law?! With due respect, Drew, you've just lost it completely Smile

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The Arizona law in question merely codifies a selection of provisions already established in Federal Law. The state passage of this legislation simply authorizes state officals to enforce them. It doesn't create any new restrictions or restraint on the part of visitors or immigrants, legal or illegal.

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@hawkeye10,

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Do you have any evidence that the people of Arizona, or the people of America for that matter, have changed their minds about this being a good law??

The Montgomery bus boycott was not supported by a majority of Americans either.

Hispanic Americans, the vast majority of whom feel offended or even threatened by this law and the anti-Hispanic rhetoric behind it, have the ability to make these laws targeting them very costly.

This law was pushed and passed completely by Republicans. Right after the Republicans (and again Republicans alone) passed a law targeting "ethnic" education. Hispanic voters (and our children) will not forget this for generations.

You don't understand the anger generated by this partisan law in the Hispanic community. There is a very pissed off minority-- but a significant minority.

Arizona will pay... and is already paying.

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@ebrown p,

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The Montgomery bus boycott was not supported by a majority of Americans either.

the Montgomery bus boycott prompted all three branches of the the federal government to take up the cause. In case you have not noticed, all three branches of government are busy moving to the right on Immigration.

Don't hold your breath that Washington is going to do what you want them to do. The last thing a smart politician is going to do when the majority is already pissed is to poke their fingers the the citizens eyes.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

With the Arizona law, anyone coming into contact with the police is to be investigated if there is suspicion that they might be in the country illegally.
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Completely wrong. Don't you even know the bare minimum facts of the thing? On April 30, the Arizona legislature passed, and Governor Brewer signed, House Bill 2162, which modified the law that had been signed a week earlier, with the amended text stating that "prosecutors would not investigate complaints based on race, color or national origin." People in Arizona can only be questioned about immigration in connection with some other business.

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@hawkeye10,

So we will hit them where they are vulnerable.

First, screw the Republicans (who are doing whatever they can to alienate minority voters). Some prominent Republicans are already waking up to the fact that they are pissing off the fastest growing voting block in the country. (I promise you that my kids will never forget how much Republicans hate them).

Second, we have the ability to hit Arizona economically, and hit them we will (you don't need a majority to do this-- 20% would be great). Better yet if baseball listens to their Hispanic players and moves the All Star game from Pheonix... that would be good too.

Did you hear, the Republicans were considering Arizona for their national convention in 2012. Apparently even they didn't have the guts.

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@ebrown p,

ebrown p wrote:

So we will hit them where they are vulnerable.

First, screw the Republicans (who are doing whatever they can to alienate minority voters)....

Imagine trying to enforce the law, or control immigration into one's country as every other country does! What a scandal!

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@ebrown p,

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Second, we have the ability to hit Arizona economically, and hit them we will (you don't need a majority to do this-- 20% would be great). Better yet if baseball listens to their Hispanic players and moves the All Star game from Pheonix... that would be good too

I dont know of hardly anyone who is even thinking it possible that this economy is going to create good job numbers anytime soon....the most optimistic say five years, others say never if we don't fix our structural problems. If this turns out to be true Arizona is going so say good riddance the the unneeded illegal Mexicans do matter what results a boycott has. The only way Arizona changes their mind is if they need the workers again. and no matter how badly they treat the Mexicans they will come back when ever Arizona welcomes them if there are jobs. There is no way Arizona loses....

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@hawkeye10,

We shall see, won't we.

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There is one thing that all of you seem to forget.

ANYONE with a "green card" must, by law, carry it at all times and be prepared to show it to any law enforcement officer that asks to see it.
So, how is Az violating anyones rights by asking to see it?

Most illegal immigrants dont speak english very well, so any cop would know to ask someone with a severe accent, no matter what that accent was.

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I just found this, and it may interest those of you opposed to the Az law.

It seems that the AZ law may actually INCREASE the number of illegal immigrants who get green cards or become citizens.
And isnt that a good thing, according to all of you that are pro illegal immigration?

http://azcapitoltimes.com/blog/2010/05/17/trespassing-law-may-turn-more-illegal-immigrants-into-citizens/

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Arizona’s new immigration law may have been aimed at deporting as many illegal immigrants as possible, but an ironic side effect will allow more undocumented residents to apply for temporary work visas and permanent U.S. citizenship, according to research by the Arizona Capitol Times.

The new law will add to a processing backlog that already has caused federal authorities to release an increasing number of illegal immigrants back into the U.S. to await deportation hearings. And if nationwide figures can be applied to Arizona, one in four of those who are released from federal custody fail to appear in court.

The arrest-and-release policy is a little-known part of federal immigration law that allows illegal immigrants to challenge deportation and obtain legal residency, and a driver’s license, as long as they meet certain conditions. If more illegal immigrants are apprehended and processed through the federal system " which is expected to happen after Arizona’s immigration law takes effect on July 29 " then an even greater number would qualify for legal status.

Since it seems that so many of you are pro illegal immigration, how is this side effect of the AZ law a bad thing?
And if it does happen, wouldnt that make the AZ law a good thing, since it allows more people to become legal?

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