May I see your papers, citizen?

Because North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan are such successful countries, eh?

Well, Iran is a despotism and a very dangerous place, but it does successfully have oil wealth.





David

I might quibble with the word 'successfully'. They still import gasoline.

The citizens of Iran have so little money now that there is very little hope of buying a home without the help of parents who made and saved money in earlier times. That doesn't sound like wealth to me.

So you consider yourself myopic, short-sighted, and self-centered about your weight, and that's supposed to reveal the humility contained within your arrogance?

As far as recognizing the exceptional shortcomings of Americans, you, clearly, are insightful and extremely broad minded. Lucky for us, or we might keep going down our merry venal way.

I'm not sure I can figure out why you are so proud to be an American, but you certainly are an American Exceptionalist.
You've chosen not to respond to the rest of what I wrote, which is fine, but perhaps you might share with us what people sit on the opposite end of the myopic, short-sighted, self-centered spectrum. Just so we know who we should try and emulate.

Advocate neglected to include the harsh penalties Mexico imposes on illegal immigrants.

You're right though that the practices of nations for which one has no respect are poor justification for anything we do.

Of course, the Arizona law doesn't even approach the severity of the Mexican ( et al) law, but the real purpose of highlighting the practices of these dirt-nations should be to expose the hypocrisy of their criticism of the Arizona law.

Pres Calderone has had the nerve to publicly denounce the Arizona law and our president hasn't had the national leadership to call him on it.

I might have suggested he didn't have the balls to do so, but its clear that Obama isn't suffering from small balls.

Cambridge Mass police, Conservative pundits and Tea Party members will never intimidate him and still his tongue, so it wasn't because he's gutless that he didn't respond to Calderone.

It's quite telling that a conservative president of Mexico felt he needed to criticize American laws, but that a liberal president of America didn't feel the need to call him on it.

In a world where extreme leftist hyperbole is common place, the degree to which the Arizona law has been mischaracterized for political reasons is remarkable.

Whats wrong Cyclo. Do true facts bother you.

But it sounds like the U.S. where most kids rely on thier parents because they cant find jobs that pay a living wage.

Gosh, Cyclo, I thought that was why Advocate posted that thing, to make sure we emulate all the countries on that list. Oh, to be like China! We have been slipping of late, but we still are in the TOP TWENTY of Executions per capita. (Them sneaky border crossers don't know what they are in for.) Cuba is beating us to the #18 spot, but who knows what a year might bring?
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Finn: Funny thing about languages, they can both separate and bring people together. I hope you don't live in one of the places in America where only English is spoken. What a desert that would be.
In my neighborhood here in the Heights of New York City, we have Russians and Poles, Dominicans (not the monks), Haddasic Jews from Belarus, Cubanos,Puerto Ricans, Mexicanos, sprinklings of Peruvians, Argentinians and few Brazilians. Come to think about it, except for the Haddasic Jews, somebody from all those places live in my building. Hmmm. The Jews we do have are all, disappointedly, from here, Long Island or, gasp, Ohio.

You should come for our next Full Moon on The Roof Party, it's the 27th about 9PM. Bring a bottle and listen.

Joe(call for directions)Nation

My wife is Puerto Rican and she and her family speak Spanish all the time. I wish I was more fluent, but my kids are. Most importantly though, we all speak English fluently.

This may be hard for you to accept but the vast majority of those who favor the assimilation of immigrants do not insist that immigrants speak only English, and actually enjoy the cultural influences they bring to our country.

I grew up in NY and don't need to be schooled on the benefits of a cultural melting pot. I now live in Texas where Mexican cultural influences, clearly, have been embraced.

Surely though, you've heard the tale of the Tower of Babel. Your roof top parties are, no doubt, loads of fun, but unless they are simply orgies, the fun can't be sustained if everyone there is speaking a different language.

It is, undeniably, problematic wherever there are more than one "official" language. When public signs are printed in a place that isn't economically dependent on tourism, in more than one language, there is more than one "official" language.

We have at least two examples of nations with more than one official language (Canada and Belgium) and I'm sure there are more. We can see the problems.

I am a 3rd generation immigrant: Irish, Norwegian and German, and my grandparents all spoke the language of their native lands.

When they came to this country though, their parents all insisted that they not only learn, but always speak English. Alas this ultimately meant we lost Norwegian and German in our family, but they and their families were far better off for their focus on speaking the language of their new home.

Mexican immigrants should try to preserve their fluency in Spanish, but not at the expense of their learning English, and our government does them no service in enabling them to get by in America speaking only Spanish.

If you live in America and can't speak English you have no hope to do more than get by.

There have been enough studies to prove that enabling immigrants to hold on to their native language as their sole means of communication is detrimental to their chances for general success.

Making it easy for latino immigrants to get by with only Spanish is ridiculously hurtful to them despite all the sanctimonious intentions, but multi-culturalist, liberal twits find it irresistable.

Finn, do you get the joke you made?

((When they changed the names of their cities to Laredo, El Paso, and San Antonio... you know they went too far))

I have to go out, but I'll try to reply tomorrow. I did read Finn's latest post: shocked..... .

Joe(There's no Finn in Finn)Nation

I found this on the net.


I'm Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070 for which I voted yes. Rancher Robert Krentz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the border violence. Here is just some of the highlights from those who testified.

The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the daily invasion of ILLEGALS who cross their property . One Rancher testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles. Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This was not the only rancher w e heard that day that talked about the drug trains. One man told of two illegal's who came upon his property one shot in the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the ranch and they can't leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left when they come back.


The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can take them back across the border. Federal prisons have over 35% illegal's and 20% of Arizona prisons are filled with illegal's. In the last few years 80% of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal. The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better life.


The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help the border states . We have been over run and once they are here we have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education costs have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop.


The border can be secured. We have the technology and we have the ability to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come in an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live under. I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to give them amnesty because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run to the point that there will no longer be the United States of America but a North American Union of open borders. I ask you what form of government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be just like Mexico , Canada or any of the other Central American or South American country? We have already lost our language, everything must be printed in Spanish. We have already lost our history, it is no longer taught in our schools, and we have lost our borders.


The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going to set up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding? The ACLU and the leftist courts will do everything to protect those who are here ille gally, but it was an effort to try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses, and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to local law enforcement when there is probable cause, like a traffic stop, to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear, if you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times. That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote or get a hunting license. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is going to be stopped walking down the street. The Socialists who are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something.The Socialists wants us to just let them come. They want the "Transformation" to continue.


Maybe it is too late to save America . Maybe we are not worthy of freedom anymore. But as an elect ed official I must try to do what I can to protect our Constitutional Republic . Living in America is not a right just because you can walk across the border. Being an American is a responsibility and it comes by respecting and upholding the Constitution, the law of our land, which says what you must do to be a citizen of this country. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
Senator Sylvia Allen .

Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen is one smart lady.

The CUBANS come to America for freedom.
The Mexicans come here because we are much richer
and have a much better economic environment.

From my brief (not brief enuf) experience across the border
from El Paso, Texas Mexico is a very unpleasant place to be.
We have no reason to give the Mexicans refuge here.





David

Silvia Allen... Yeah right

Is it your belief that they are undesirable countries because they are tough on illegal aliens? You are typical of the soft-headed people who cannot see the dangers of our essentially open borders.

SO STIPULATED!

It sounds like her heart is in the right place and she will vote as a good American!





David

I 'm kind of surprized that we r on the same side, Advocate.





David

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