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@Cycloptichorn,

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FAIR advocates "7 Principles of True Comprehensive Immigration Reform:"

1. Cut the Numbers
2. No Amnesty or Mass Guest-Worker Program
3. Protect Wages and Standards of Living
4. Major Upgrade in Interior Enforcement, Led by Strong Employers Penalties
5. Stop Special Interest Asylum Abuse
6. Immigration Time Out
7. Equal Under the Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform

there are huge numbers of Americans who agree with each plank, when you attempt to paint FAIR as a fringe hate group the message I receive is that you are out of touch with mainstream America.

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@hawkeye10,

There are huge numbers who agree with ANY plank of ANY political platform. What you are asserting is not compelling in the slightest. Provide further evidence or retract your assertions re: FAIR and the fact that you don't feel they should be labeled a 'hate group.'

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Quote:

Provide further evidence or retract your assertions re: FAIR and the fact that you don't feel they should be labeled a 'hate group.'

I get to make up my own mind about my opinion.

THe anti defamation league concludes

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FAIR’s activities in support of immigration control have been characterized by
some political observers as promoting nativism and xenophobia, and critics have accused
FAIR of using racial innuendo to promote its message. Other critics have accused FAIR of
being anti-Hispanic and anti-Catholic, based on the comments of some of the group’s leaders.
Such charges have been rejected by FAIR.
FAIR opened itself to such criticism with unretracted offensive statements by several
FAIR leaders, and by its willing acceptance of financial support from the Pioneer Fund,
a controversial foundation with a tainted history that was established to promote the discredited
“science” of eugenics, and that continues to financially support questionable
research into the comparative intelligence of ethnic minorities.
Immigration is, to be sure, a legitimate policy issue. Unfortunately, FAIR and other
anti-immigrant groups have used reckless, distorted language and tactics that cloud and
inhibit responsible debate.

http://www.adl.org/civil_rights/is_fair_unfair.pdf

I don't believe in policing language, and I am myself a bit of a bomb thrower, so I don't have a much trouble with calling FAIR legit. They may or may not attract people who hate, but people have the right to hate, I only care about what they do. It appears to me that FAIR promotes sensible immigration policy.

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@hawkeye10,

"Fair" is a religious idea hawk.

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@spendius,

That's what makes this thread so hilarious.

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@Ceili,

Ceili wrote:

The canal separating the US and Mexico was on 60 Minutes the other night. It's drowning a lot of people. Got a big graveyard of Juan and Jane Does. I think your moats been taken care of.
It's pretty sad.

There is a canal separating the US and Mexico? Where did they say it was at?

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@plainoldme,

So you are saying that EVERY whiteperson here in the US, no matter when their families first came to this country, no matter how many generations ago, is an immigrant, possibly illegally?

So, using your logic, EVERY person of Mexican descent or heritage is also an immigrant to the US, many of them here illegally.

So then you would have no problem deporting every person with a hispanic last name, because they are illegal immigrants.

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@roger,

They call it the Rio Grande. I think that means big moat or something like that.

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@roger,

Ironically, it's called the All-American Canal. I watched the 60 Minutes piece...heartbreaking.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/30/60minutes/main6448631.shtml

ETA: It's not meant as a deterrant to illegal immigrants, but to provide water to the Imperial Valley.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
It's time to deploy the National Guard and close the border.
It really IS. Can u help us with a moat?

Maybe lay minefields along the fence behind the moat.

David

Drop a few criminals that are crossing the border at the busiest locations (DRT) ... that will end of the influx of illegals.

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@engineer,

The government coming for the illegals does NOT mean that they will come for me. Your analogy is stupid.

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@roger,

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/id=6453537n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel
The All American Canal in California.

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@Ceili,

Sorry Irish, missed your post.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
It's time to deploy the National Guard and close the border.
It really IS. Can u help us with a moat?

Maybe lay minefields along the fence behind the moat.

David

Whatever it takes! What happened to the fence?

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@Advocate,

As I've stated in numerous other posts to this thread, the issue is that US citizens will see significantly increased levels of police harassment because of the color of their skin. Are you going to speak up for the rights of the minority of citizens with dark skin or will you let it go by because your skin isn't dark?

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

As I've stated in numerous other posts to this thread, the issue is that US citizens will see significantly increased levels of police harassment because of the color of their skin.

That's true. More and more pale faced Americans are being harassed by the police.

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@Advocate,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
It's time to deploy the National Guard and close the border.
It really IS. Can u help us with a moat?

Maybe lay minefields along the fence behind the moat.

David

Advocate wrote:

Whatever it takes! What happened to the fence?

The fence got jumped by a bunch of Mexicans.
I saw them do it on TV.

David

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@Ceili,

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@roger,

Irish probably gave a better link, but just google 60 minutes. You'll find it there. My link is probably screwed up cause we canucks can't watch a lot of American online shows.

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@mysteryman,

You are picking a fight and being silly. I refuse to slip to your level.

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