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May I see your papers, citizen?

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 07:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
I probably can, having spent years in the landscape design and construction world. It's actually fairly complicated, but you wouldn't get that.

On construction projects, there are people called contractors. Those I dealt with followed rules. But, some of those people in their employ who were now amnestied, had just the slipped up here, years ago. Some made it to be foremen. They are not different from us, but by this immigration hazzerai.

I know that sounds absurdly pontifical. I know there is resentment. But brains win out if they have a chance.

My boss was the son of quite disturbed immigrants, they having spent time in the japanese camps. He was born in one. I have no idea if his parents were allowed here at first. Maybe in some wave of japanese.

The japanese, fully american or not, were repulsed early in my life. I was busy being three, but recognized it from my aunt's hate.


Sorry, I don't give a **** about pay scale. Pay scale will rise on value.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 07:56 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
So, you are inflamed at Mexico because of the cartels,
or you don't know about them and simply don't want any non papered immigrants ever?
What bothers me most is infiltration of the American electorate so that in years to come
when either the alien intruders or their progeny vote in our elections,
thay will drag the nation toward the left, away from personal freedom,
away from what remains of the free market in laissez faire capitalism,
and toward the welfare state, so that thay can and will use democracy to parasitically rip off
financially successful Americans, by application of collectivist principles.
This woud cause an end of the free America that began with the American Revolution.

To a lesser extent, I am concerned with the infiltration of Moslems,
thru an insecure border, for more sabotage similar to 9/11.


ossobuco wrote:
My father's family, per the story, came over on a raft. That is what my father described for my fifth grade essay.
I doubted that when I grew up, but it seems some did come over on rafts. (Set will tell me if I'm right or wrong,
but I was jolted when I saw that, that they were just telling.) As it happened in later years,
my father and my uncle were good at sea.
I 'm not a nautical person. I 'm not going to go as far as to say that coming on a raft from Ireland is absolutely impossible,
but it strains credulity. I don 't believe that rafts have much aquatic stability; no rudder, either.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:05 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
DON'T even start with lecturing Dys about New Mexico, stupido. (I say that nicely.. the man knows a lot, and you do not).
Osso, I know next to nothing about New Mexico
and therefore woud never presume to "lecture" anyone -- no one -- about New Mexico.

I CAN, however, point out that Dys' choice of words was ambiguous.
It coud mean either: citizens of New Mexico,
or
It coud mean non-citizen residents thereof.

That is not a lecture about New Mexico; it is about English syntax.
If that makes me nicely "stupido" then I 'll have to live with it.





David
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
It's clear, David, you are afraid of me - or the welfare state.

Suppose we stopped war and fed people? Zillions go to war as people drop off.

(I know I'm sounding fanatic, am riffing.)
Francis
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:13 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Your obvious lack of geographic knowledge made the term ambiguous, not the syntax used.

Just saying..
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Pah, a sophorism.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Well, that's what I thought, until I read about them.

It may well be a story.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Alien intruders? Do you have any idea of the scope of this nation pulled together from parts? Not all centered in New York.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:23 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
It's clear, David, you are afraid of me
What is it clear that I fear that u will DO? (worst case scenario?)



ossobuco wrote:
- or the welfare state.
Yes; I fear that.



ossobuco wrote:
Suppose we stopped war and fed people?
Zillions go to war as people drop off.
I have withdrawn my support for the war,
unless it is necessary to defend American access to oil.
I don 't know if it is, or not.

Notice that your friend Obama supports it, Osso,
and continues it and that your Party
is in control of BOTH houses of Congress + the presidency
and the Demos keep funding the war; bipartisan.

ossobuco wrote:
(I know I'm sounding fanatic, am riffing.)
What does "riffing" mean?





David
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:25 pm
Ah, there it is -

"parasitically rip off financially successful Americans, by application of collectivist principles"

defense 101
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:25 pm
@Francis,
Francis wrote:
Your obvious lack of geographic knowledge made the term ambiguous, not the syntax used.

Just saying..
Just "saying" but not believing?

What "geographic knowledge" shoud I have known, Francis ?





David
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't agree with him on that.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:26 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
Ah, there it is -

"parasitically rip off financially successful Americans, by application of collectivist principles"

defense 101
Come again? I don 't understand your meaning.





David
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:29 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Well, gee, your point speaks for itself.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
That "New Mexicans" are citizens of the American state of New Mexico.

Otherwise you'd need to revise your approach of English language and not only in its phonetic aspect.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:39 pm
David, you and I arguing is plain useless and I try not to do it most of the time. We are virtual opposites.

Have a good evening.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 10:10 pm
@Francis,
Francis wrote:
That "New Mexicans" are citizens of the American state of New Mexico.

Otherwise you'd need to revise your approach of English language and not only in its phonetic aspect.
I believe that u r mistaken, Francis. U appear to assert that any resident of New Mexico is a citizen.
If that is your position, then please present evidence of it.





David
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 10:28 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't know new mexico history very well. The spanish came here in the seventeen hundreds and beat out the native indios and started a capital. It's still the capital. Some of those native indios are still here.

People from arizona might arrest them (well, what do I know, there are probably some sane people in arizona - I know at least one or two or three.)

I think the rest of the US is confused about arizona as arizona is confused on itself.

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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 10:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You simply don't get it, David.

Residents and citizens are different concepts.

Resident of New Mexico doesn't mean that you are New Mexican.

But if you are New Mexican, you are a citizen of New Mexico and (to Dys eternal dysmay) an American citizen.

Mind that are resident citizens there.

Do I have to explain the concept of non-citizen resident?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 10:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Apparently some of them made it. I have no idea of the truth of that, even if I read a link to attest to it.
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