patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:00 pm
Oh, London you're a lady
Laid out before my eyes
Your golden heart is pulsing
Between your scarred up thighs.
Your architects were madmen
And your builders sane but drunk
My darling they have used you
And covered you with mud.

et al

The Pogues
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:10 pm
The Who?
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Piffka
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:15 pm
Thanks Beth (thanks, I think, PD). I always thought Danny Kaye was such a nice man. Don't know either song.

It is awfully chilly there, in Copenhagen and nobody said anything about the countryside, but if a place isn't by the sea, it just isn't going to feel like home.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:16 pm
Did you know that Denmark is a peninsula in the North of Germany ...? Smile
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:17 pm
Laughing Steve -- I'm sure there are plenty of salty old queens in Copenhagen, maybe rivaling Hollywood?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:19 pm
Incidentally, Phoenix has posted a discussion about pollution including a link to various areas. I can see why no city in Southern California's LA basin makes it high on the list -- I'd be interested in finding, say, Santa Barbara. I've always wondered how Huntington Beach made it onto the best city in U.S. list although I remember the low crime and best schools being a factor.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:23 pm
No, not the Who. The Pogues.

(Always a shame about the fire. I grew up around (much smaller) forest fires; my sympathies go out.)
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:32 pm
In case nobody checked, the worst countries list is a telling story:

1. Sierra Leone
2. Niger
3. Burundi
4. Mozambique
5. Burkina Faso
6. Ethiopia
7. Guinea-Bissau
8. Chad
9. Central African Republic
10. Mali
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:34 pm
I stayed at the Admiral Hotel in Copenhagen. First morning with the door wide open to the balcony I was lying on the bed with not too many clothes on when it began to get dark. It was the Queen of Sweden (or similar name) cruise ship sliding into dock outside my room, with about 3000 people eager for their first glimpse of Copenhagen, and one or two more who realised you could see into all the sea front bedrooms of the Admiral Hotel. Problem did not occur again as it docked the same time every day, and I was ready for 'em.
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margo
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:34 pm
Yes - it is a bit dodgy here at present. I live in the inner suburbs, and the fires are quite a long way away - although there were fires the other day in the grasslands surrounding Olympic Park, which is quite close to me.

However, the sky is orange and filled with smoke, and soon the cinders will start falling. The strong winds are bringing the smoke into the city proper. Everything smells of smoke. People with asthma start to have breathing problems and are advised to stay indoors.

We were planning a trip south today, to check out my friend's new beach flat on the south coast. It looks like there's fires on the way down - so will have to check before we leave.

We're just desperate for some proper rain!
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:38 pm
No offense, but has it ever occurred to y'all that the Australian continent doesn't want you there?

(Please don't take offense; meant to be a wry and commiserative quip on the frailty of human innovation in the face of nature, not an assault on the lovely Aussies.)
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:52 pm
Here's the full list from smh.com, the Economist Intelligence Unit survey:

Most liveable cities
October 4 2002




1. Melbourne Australia

Vancouver Canada

3. Perth Australia

4. Vienna Austria

Toronto Canada

Geneva Switzerland

Zurich Switzerland

8. Adelaide Australia

Brisbane Australia

Sydney Australia

Copenhagen Denmark

Dusseldorf Germany

Frankfurt Germany

Oslo Norway

Montreal Canada

Others of note:

21. Tokyo Japan
Osaka Japan
24. Hamburg Germany
Munich Germany
Auckland New Zealand
Wellington New Zealand
32. Lyon France
Paris France
44. Hong Kong China
Portugal Lisbon
Madrid Spain
London UK
San Francisco US
52. Dublin Ireland
New York US
93. Quito Ecuador
Johannesburg South Africa
Bucharest Romania
119. Jakarta Indonesia
Tehran Iran
121. New Delhi India
129. Karachi Pakistan
130. Port Moresby PNG
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:55 pm
Link to smh.com:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/04/1033538766302.html
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:00 pm
More about Melbourne -- the standard of living seems to be the top of the list as criteria:

http://www.centralequity.com.au/about-melbourne/melb_standard.asp
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:05 pm
OK lightw

But that was for 4th October which was a Friday. Who's to say what the order was after the week end? Let alone now.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:12 pm
Well, they don't do the survey daily, Steve! I would imagine we'd have to wait until next year. BTW, Long Beach, CA. was high on the U.S. list from another source (which I'd have to look up in, unless someone know offhand and can locate the current list). I've been unable to find another source for such lists on world's most livable cities or countries -- I note somehow the link to EIU didn't work as the "m" in "com" was omitted.
I'll be back with a correction.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:16 pm
http://www.eiu.com/

The latest survey is the most expensive city -- click at the top left.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:26 pm
Westminster, CA is the most livable city in the world. Lovely, truly beautiful. Mmmmmmmmmm.........
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:27 pm
Well, they keep moving the link as one logs in and one has to subscribe to really get any info:

http://wcol.eiu.com/asp/wcol_WCOLHome.asp
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:32 pm
Well, I did one free entry for cost of living in US.
Anyone want to try for Australia?
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