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Drugs/alcohol-experiences and observations.

 
 
safecracker
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 06:47 am
well the research I have found seems to support that it won't have a large effect on memory and I agree I may have been a lil 1 sided there it may depend on the person.....it was more my experiance I was basing the opinion on and that to me was research. If I offended anyone I am sorry but in my experiance I had no harm done by pot.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 07:02 am
Dont worry safecracker. The very fact that some of us have had problems with pot and some haven't shows that it affects different people in different ways. I rarely take offence at anything.
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grottomaster
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 07:32 am
Hello there, "hello." Yes, I've had a lot of painkilling and anestehtic drugs in conjunction with a number of surgeries. Morphine? When they give you that, you're typically in so much pain that the euphoria is not much of a factor. My problem with it is that, one time, it caused me great difficulty in breathing (definitely too much). My drugs of choice in the hospital? Nubain for pain. I'm VERY happy with an injection of that blessed stuff. Demerol is great too but highly addictive. I can't get enough. Versed I like a lot and my cardiologist makes up a little intravenous cocktail which uses Benadril which is fantastic on diverting one's mind from the pain but it burns like the devil when they inject it!
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 08:07 am
I've swigged morphine and chased smack (burn on foil & inhale smoke) a couple of times. They were both very very nice, which is why I've never touched either since. Even with my pot habit I could see the dangers in carrying on with either of them.

As for prescription drugs, the best I ever managed to get was tamazapan a couple of times as well, which is good if you like sitting staring into space for hours, too f*cked to move.

We also got dexedrine as well (an amphetamine derivative used to treat sleeping sickness (narcolepsy)). They were much better than speed from the dealers, as the come-up and come-down were much smoother and the dosing was alot easier to control as they were in tablet form.

I tried ketamine once as well, but didn't like most of it as it was way-too heavy for me. I could barely speak or move for a long-time, and at one point I thought I had died or something as I seemed to be aware and conscious, but only inside my own head and the outside world had ceased to exist. That and the fact that they use ketamine on horses, and those buggers are a lot bigger than I am.
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 08:44 am
Pot - a nice place to go on holiday, but you don't want to live there...
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 08:50 am
Back in high school, I was pretty much the only kid in my group who didn't do drugs, but you know, I wanted to seem cool somehow. Once at a party, I mentioned that I found Halcion in the drug cabinet at home. So it was all like "Whoa, cool. Could you get us some?" My one and only experience with dealing. I took a few and sold them to my friends. One took 3 with a bottle of wine and nearly died on the subway trying to get home. That was the end of it for me. More recently, halcion was removed from the market as it apparently caused murderous psychotic episodes in a small part of the population. Live and learn.
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kitchenpete
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 09:36 am
Grand Duke - sounds like some familiar territory! :wink:
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 10:06 am
kitchenpete wrote:
Grand Duke - sounds like some familiar territory! :wink:


Familar to you, Pete? Which bits?
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kitchenpete
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 10:47 am
Grand Duke wrote:
kitchenpete wrote:
Grand Duke - sounds like some familiar territory! :wink:


Familar to you, Pete? Which bits?


Ermmm.... Embarrassed.... I can't remember! Laughing
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hello
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 11:12 am
yeah the pain does usually cancel out the euphoria with morphine, but when u get given a button to press that puts it directly into your bloodstream for 3 weeks (they arent so careful about that type of thing in europe), youre bound to keep pressing more after the pain goes away. at the end i had to press it to go to sleep, not because of pain, but because i would feel real strange without it. like too tense. it just relaxes you physically and mentally. definately something to try once to experiance, not something to try more than that (unless perscribed). its pretty much legal heroine.
what are the easiest drugs to get a hold of in america (this is a matter of interest for me- ive never been, and nor do i intend on going any time soon)
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safecracker
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 12:17 pm
well with that button thing it has a regulator on it so you can't OD but ya that is how they often do it in the US and Canada too.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 12:28 pm
According to the constant spam I get in my e-mail on a daily basis, Vicodin and Viagara are not only plentiful, I need them too.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 12:44 pm
Miracle drugs, eh! Cav....

Has anyone every tried opium. I read a really interesting article a while ago in Vanity Fair about a guy's journey to find an opium den. After crossing half a continent he finally found his shangri-la and said it was worth the effort. So, any stories?

Shrooms, are marvy. I haven't done them much or lately, but I love listening to music and or singing on them. I see music as waves of colour, three dimensional waves of colourful harmony weaving in and around my brain.
When I was a little kid, I spent every summer on Vancouver Island. Shrooms grow naturaly there and we used to pick 'em and sell 'em to the hippies. If you didn't wear gloves while harvesting, you were in for a trip.
Ceili
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 12:49 pm
cavfancier wrote:
According to the constant spam I get in my e-mail on a daily basis, Vicodin and Viagra are not only plentiful, I need them too.


Apparently I do, too! Laughing
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 01:27 pm
Grand Duke wrote:
That and the fact that they use ketamine on horses, and those buggers are a lot bigger than I am.


You'd be hard pressed not to find it at any of your local hospitals either. In subanaesthetic doses it acts as a stimulant if you are looking at heart rate. Slows down breathing somewhat. It's also been been shown to have neuroprotective properties after strokes. Multifaceted tool really. It also has an interesting tolerance: once you build up a tolerance to its psychoactive properties, even after a 5 year break, your tolerance will be there. Self-limiting in a sense...another interesting aspect of it is that to get the most out of it, it has to be used quite a number of times in order to 'learn' what's there...

Also, it provides access to places that can be quite dark and frightening, and this leads to the caveat: you must be quite stable to get to those places and want to go back. :wink:

Most people do drugs for a physical/emotional purpose, whereas ketamine is far more cerebral. It's more of a drug for people who like the shift in perspective/reality that drugs can provide. I think K is one of the most powerful drugs for this purpose. The properties of the experience between shroom and K are very different...acid and psilocybin tends to promote organic hallucinations...things seen/experienced tend to have a pulsating, living feel to them...where ketamine tends to be more mathematical and synthetic...more stephen hawking than shangri la.

That being said:

Chronic use of anything is going to be detrimental.
Recommended daily dose of marijuana: 1 joint or less

Recommended daily dose of vitamin A: 40,000 I.U.

More than that, pay the price.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 01:41 pm
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Has anyone every tried opium. I read a really interesting article a while ago in Vanity Fair about a guy's journey to find an opium den. After crossing half a continent he finally found his shangri-la and said it was worth the effort. So, any stories?


Twice, but I was already really stoned both times, so it was hard to gauge the effect. All I remember is feeling really content and then falling asleep.

Nowhere so exotic as any shangri-la, though: a mobile home in the Sierras in the middle of winter.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 02:01 pm
I once met an Eastern European cabbie who told me that once, back in the old country when he was young and foolish, he tried some mushrooms a friend had given him. Problem was, they weren't psilocybin, they were amanita muscaria, and he ate two giant ones. He told me that he had a conversation with Jesus as clear as he was talking to me, and when he woke up in the hospital alive, he was converted. Apparently the doctors said he had indeed ingested enough poison to kill him, so he figured it was a miracle, and now he's a cab-driving Jesus fan.
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 02:18 pm
Cav,

Funny you mention that.
I believe that the intellectual state that the likes of drugs like ketamine induces is probably comparable to what a paranoid schizophrenic feels. The first couple times, the associations drawn between things, the realizations made, have some translability to the reality you experience without chemical facilitation. After that, depending on how much you "want" to see new "truths", you can start tying together things that on subsequent sober analysis aren't really valid. But at the time you think them, they seem unquestionably true.

Which I think is dangerous. And why I liken the state to paranoid schizophrenia. There's a flurry of neuronal activity happening, synapses firing like a storm, but simply because you "feel" something is right does not make it so (vice versa).
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 02:24 pm
Sounds like it wenchilina, and good to see you back. He absolutely felt that the experience was real, a complete detatchment from reality interpereted as a vision. Hey, if it turned his life around, more power to him, but surely a dodgy way to do it.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 03:14 pm
Ceili wrote:
Miracle drugs, eh! Cav....

Has anyone every tried opium. I read a really interesting article a while ago in Vanity Fair about a guy's journey to find an opium den. After crossing half a continent he finally found his shangri-la and said it was worth the effort. So, any stories?

Shrooms, are marvy. I haven't done them much or lately, but I love listening to music and or singing on them. I see music as waves of colour, three dimensional waves of colourful harmony weaving in and around my brain.
When I was a little kid, I spent every summer on Vancouver Island. Shrooms grow naturaly there and we used to pick 'em and sell 'em to the hippies. If you didn't wear gloves while harvesting, you were in for a trip.
Ceili


Hmmmm - I used to see music like that with NO drugs - when I was a kid. I miss it. It was cute.
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