Amanda Knox

@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

In real life, it's usually the innocent who suffer...

If Guede goes after innocent people, I don't know what we can do about it other than make sure that the world understands who is responsible for Guede being free.

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Business insider: Amanda Knox totally innocent, Wop judge and legal system FUBAR...

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-amanda-knox-is-innocent-2014-1

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@gungasnake,

Jim Edwards might have a good or even excellent knowledge in US-law.

But he should have read something about the Italian laws before writing that comment - e.g. the prosecutor wasn't "somehow allowed to be in charge of the Kercher murder" but the procedure was followed according to Royal Legislative Decree no. 511 of 31st May 1946 / Law no. 48 of 13th February 2001, arts. 1 and 4-8 .
(To get a fair trial, you not only get the legally competent judge but the legally competent public prosecutor as well.)

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In the excellent book on the case, "The Fatal Gift of Beauty; The Trials of Amanda Knox," author Nina Burleigh describes Guede's history with the law: He was previously arrested for housebreaking, and on one occasion stole a knife (Kercher was stabbed).

The baffling part of the book (which is sourced at a level of detail that's almost excruciating) is, why Knox was prosecuted in the first place.

The answer is that the Italian prosecutor in charge of the case was an obsessed weirdo who was convicted of corruption.

Giuliano Mignini had previously prosecuted the "Monster of Florence" serial killer case and became convinced that it was a masonic conspiracy. His case came to nothing. Mignini was later convicted of illegally tapping the phones of various police and reporters connected to the Florence case, and was given a 16-month suspended sentence.

Somehow, he was allowed to be in charge of the Kercher murder, and he screwed that up too.

The alleged ritualistic sex game, for instance, turned out to be manufactured from whole cloth.

There was no evidence indicating Knox killed Kercher:

No DNA evidence linked Knox to the crime, even though she lived in the same house as Kercher.

The forensic evidence that did exist was mishandled by Italian authorities prior to trial. (Kercher's bra clasp was left on the floor of the crime scene for six weeks before blood evidence was found on it.)

A bloody knife print didn't match the knife police had in custody, so Mignini's team had to create a theory involving two knives, Burleigh reports.

One of Mignini's witnesses against Knox was Antonio Curalato, a homeless anarchist who slept on a bench near Knox's house. He testified on who was near the house that night, and he also remembered seeing a party bus on the night of the killing. Burleigh's book shows that that bus was not scheduled to run on the night of Kercher's death.

Curalato turned out to be a serial witness and heroin addict whom the police had persuaded to testify in two other murder cases.

It's not just that Knox was falsely accused. It's that her entire life was ruined in the process, in the most vindictive and sexist way possible. At one point, Burleigh reveals, a police official posing as a doctor informed Knox she had HIV, and asked her to name all her previous sexual partners so they could be alerted to the risk. She did so, and only found out later that it was a trick — the Italian cops just wanted to know about her sex life. (Her boyfriend at the time, Raffaele Sollecito, was also eventually acquitted of aiding in Kercher's murder.)

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-amanda-knox-is-innocent-2014-1#ixzz2sCg9yLIH

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@gungasnake,

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Mignini was later convicted of illegally tapping the phones of various police and reporters connected to the Florence case, and was given a 16-month suspended sentence.

The Court of Appeal in Florence had already overturned Mignini's conviction in November 2011. (And even if Mignini were convicted, offenses such as this are rarely grounds for removing a prosecutor from office.)

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It's not just that Knox was falsely accused. It's that her entire life was ruined in the process, in the most vindictive and sexist way possible. At one point, Burleigh reveals, a police official posing as a doctor informed Knox she had HIV, and asked her to name all her previous sexual partners so they could be alerted to the risk. She did so, and only found out later that it was a trick .....

Tell you the truth, Hinkey, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the way the wops treated this girl and the way Comanches and Kiowas were treating white women who fell into their hands in the 1820s - 1870s. At most it's a difference in degree and not kind.

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@gungasnake,

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It's not just that Knox was falsely accused. It's that her entire life was ruined in the process, in the most vindictive and sexist way possible. At one point, Burleigh reveals, a police official posing as a doctor informed Knox she had HIV, and asked her to name all her previous sexual partners so they could be alerted to the risk. She did so, and only found out later that it was a trick — the Italian cops just wanted to know about her sex life.

I still think there might be divine providence behind the way the persecution of Amanda is going to result in Guede being set free among the very people who are persecuting her.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

The Court of Appeal in Florence had already overturned Mignini's conviction in November 2011. (And even if Mignini were convicted, offenses such as this are rarely grounds for removing a prosecutor from office.)

In other words, Italy is a third-world hellhole where corruption in prosecutors and judges is seen as a good thing.

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

Business insider: Amanda Knox totally innocent, Wop judge and legal system FUBAR...
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-amanda-knox-is-innocent-2014-1

There are a couple problems with that article. The biggest problem is the part that says Amanda falsely accused the ex bar owner.

The Italians forced her to do that, and her libel conviction will never pass muster with the European Court of Human Rights.

Also, while there was indeed incompetence on the evidence front (Italy hasn't discovered science yet), most of what the article refers to as "bungling of evidence" should instead be called "deliberate falsification and fabrication of evidence".

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Somebody faked the break-in.

It wasn't the dead girl, and it wasn't Guede.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

Somebody faked the break-in.

No they didn't.

McTag wrote:

It wasn't the dead girl, and it wasn't Guede.

Only in the sense that Guede was breaking in for real, and not faking anything.

I just know you're going to make me regret not being mean-spirited in my reply to you, but I guess I can always be cruel in a later post should it prove necessary then.

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@oralloy,

You think this guy Guede is gonna turn into some sort of Italian Jack the Ripper once they cut him loose??

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

You think this guy Guede is gonna turn into some sort of Italian Jack the Ripper once they cut him loose??

It seems likely, considering what he did to Meredith.

I'd much rather Guede reform and live out his life as a respected member of the community because of what that would do to the Kerchers. But based on what he did to Meredith, I don't see him choosing that path.

Who knows though. Ultimately only Guede will decide what Guede is going to do when he is freed.

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@oralloy,

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I guess I can always be cruel in a later post

Oh, please don't be cruel! Oh, no! Very Happy

You miserable cowardly worm.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

... her libel conviction will never pass muster with the European Court of Human Rights.

There's a trial at the ECHR about that? I've looked it up without any result ...

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

You miserable cowardly worm.

Not miserable. And not cowardly. Not sure how worm would apply either.

I sure hope Guede breaks in on someone you love once he is done serving his thrice-shortened sentence. THAT would be justice at its most awesome.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

There's a trial at the ECHR about that? I've looked it up without any result ...

There will be. Don't try to pretend they don't care about human rights violations. They do, and you know it.

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@oralloy,

Put McTurd on ignore, no reason to be getting into pissing contests with outright vermin. Justice would be to have Guede the Ripper there start with that dago prosecutor...

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@oralloy,

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Not miserable. And not cowardly. Not sure how worm would apply either.

Well, others can be the judge of that.
We know from your writings that you advocate disinterment of corpses so that they can be violated, and that you favour the killing of innocent children because of some slight you may have imagined. And various other choice opinions too tedious to list here.
So it's fairly plain that nothing you write can be taken seriously. I don't.
I only visit this thread to see what fresh madness you have been dredging up; a kind of a freak show. And that is becoming a bit of a bore.

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@izzythepush,

I still am not clear about her involvement, though I don't trust her further than I could throw her, and I'm not that strong-armed or fleet footed. I need to review the washing machine stories, among other matters.

On Sollecito, unless this was a brand new girlfriend, and even if so, I don't think he was fleeing; that doesn't fit his m.o. so far.

Oh, and the lovely haircut may begin increasing in popularity, but not quite like Dorothy Hamil's.

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