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Amanda Knox

 
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 2 Jan, 2010 07:06 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
clear innocence to you, who were not even there.


I don't have to be there. I can see very well how bogus the supposed evidence against is, and all the malicious acts on the pert of Italian officials.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 2 Jan, 2010 07:14 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
Can I ask why this case is arousing so much interest and acrimonious debate?


Because the Italian government (specifically judges Giancarlo Massei and Beatrice Cristiani) intentionally and maliciously put an innocent American honors student in prison.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 2 Jan, 2010 07:22 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:
In her own testimony, Amanda Knox described receiving several light slaps on the back of her head while the policewoman was questioning her. Although that is not a "beating", it contributes to a well-known problem in interrogations: suspects feeling pressure to answer the way that the interrogator wants them to. Amanda was twenty years old, a newcomer in Italy, and was therefore vulnerable to suggestions made by the policewoman.


^^ What he said.


I focus mostly on posts I disagree with, and so passed yours by as I found nothing disagreeable. However, your post deserves to be noted, so I'm going back and taking note of it.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 2 Jan, 2010 07:26 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
clear innocence to you, who were not even there.


I don't have to be there. I can see very well how bogus the supposed evidence against is, and all the malicious acts on the pert of Italian officials.


Doh. I guess I'm not fully awake yet.

"how bogus the supposed evidence against HER is"

"on the PART of"

Apologies for any other silly spelling/grammar/punctuation/whatever mistakes that I missed.

Off in search of caffeine.....
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ossobuco
 
  2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2010 08:13 pm
Well! Here's a new twist, of sorts.

John Guare interested in this story for a play -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2010/jan/05/john-guare-interview
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2010 08:31 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
Well! Here's a new twist, of sorts.

John Guare interested in this story for a play -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2010/jan/05/john-guare-interview


It doesn't sound like it will be very accurate. She's not a murderer. There was no satanic ritual or sex game. And she only did cartwheels because a police officer asked her to.


Meanwhile, Amanda is so terrified that her hair has started falling out:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/12/27/meredith-kercher-killer-amanda-knox-gets-long-hair-slashed-115875-21924590


And Seattle has decided to indefinitely postpone plans to name a city park after Perugia:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_seattle_amanda_knox
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wandeljw
 
  1  
Mon 11 Jan, 2010 04:45 pm
Similar case in France:
Quote:
France: Niece of British official on murder trial
(The Associated Press, Jan. 11, 2010)

VERSAILLES, France - The niece of a British junior minister told a court on Monday that she was responsible for the stabbing death of a 24-year-old man in what French investigators have described as a sex game gone wrong.

The 30-year-old Jessica Davies, however, said she could not recall the circumstances of the killing. She faces 30 years in prison if convicted on murder charges.

Davis, who has a dual French and British citizenship, is a niece of Quentin Davies, Britain's junior defense minister in charge of procurement.

Witnesses told the court that Davies has had a history of depression, violent behavior and drug and alcohol abuse.

In November 2007, French authorities responded to a call from Davies saying there was a wounded man in her home, in the affluent Paris suburb of Saint-Germain-en-Laye. The 24-year-old victim, Oliver Mugnier, had multiple stab wounds to the throat and thorax. He died shortly after medics' arrival.

British and French news reports said Davies picked up Mugnier at a bar in Saint-Germain-en-Laye on the night of the slaying. French investigators have suggested that Mugnier's wounds resulted from a sex game that went too far.

Tests revealed that Davies had a high level of alcohol in her blood on the night of the incident, and witnesses at Monday's proceedings " which mainly centered around Davies' past " said she had long had drinking and drugs problems.

In her testimony, Davies' mother, Monique Henry, a literature professor and French citizen, acknowledged that her separation from Davies' father " a British businessman who left his family to move to Italy with his mistress " deeply upset her daughter.

"Jessica was shattered by her parents' difficulties," said Henry, adding that in the months before the crime, Davies had taken to cutting her own arms and legs.

"She seemed totally empty," Henry said.

Davies said the psychological help she'd received in prison, while awaiting trial, have helped her.

"I'm finally able to name my feelings and master my emotions," she told the court.

A decision in the case is expected on Tuesday.

Davies' uncle, diplomat-turned-businessman Quentin Davies, has served in Britain's parliament for more than 20 years. Originally elected as Tory, he defected to Britain's ruling Labor Party in 2007 " a move which won him the post of junior defense minister in charge of procurement.

The Cambridge and Harvard-educated Davies reportedly made his fortune at British bank Morgan Grenfell. He served as president of the bank's French operations.
contrex
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2010 11:01 am
The French could save themselves a whole lot of money; they could just look on here and see whether Oralloy says she is guilty or not. I expect he thinks she is - she's not American after all.

On a personal note: I'd hit her, but I'd make sure all cutlery was locked away first!
contrex
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2010 01:40 pm
Update - she got 15 years.
Francis
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2010 01:42 pm
@contrex,
Which means that if she behaves properly in jail, she can be out in six or seven years..
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contrex
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2010 02:13 pm
Do you think she is sexy? (Would you go home from a bar with her?) Moi, j'aime pas les couteaux; ils me font débander sur le coup Smile



contrex
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2010 02:19 pm
or sur la coupe even
Francis
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2010 02:20 pm
@contrex,
No, not my type.

Moi non plus, je n'aime pas les couteaux mais j'adore les fines lames..
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Francis
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2010 02:25 pm
@contrex,
You mean sur la croupe, certainly..
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 19 Jan, 2010 08:23 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:
Similar case in France:
Quote:
France: Niece of British official on murder trial
(The Associated Press, Jan. 11, 2010)


It is similar to the lies that the government of Italy told about Knox.

It is not at all similar to the actual killing however, at least if the killing in France happened as the media described it.

Kercher was killed by Guede alone, who broke in through the window.

If this killing in France was a copycat of Italy's lies about Knox, that is two more lives that the people who are lying about Knox have to answer for.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 19 Jan, 2010 08:27 pm
@contrex,
contrex wrote:
The French could save themselves a whole lot of money; they could just look on here and see whether Oralloy says she is guilty or not. I expect he thinks she is - she's not American after all.


You evil types sure do squawk when us good people denounce evil.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 19 Jan, 2010 08:30 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
clear innocence to you, who were not even there.


By the way, you were the last person who I ever expected to see suggesting that a clearly innocent person might be guilty.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Mon 25 Jan, 2010 08:42 pm
This is becoming intolerable. Now they want to prosecute Amanda for telling the truth about the police hitting her:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8472967.stm

If the ordinary people of Italy really oppose this atrocity, shouldn't they be taking to the street in protest or something?



Incidentally, Mignini was just convicted for abuse of power in the Monster of Florence case:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/414529_knox22.html
Irishk
 
  2  
Mon 25 Jan, 2010 09:01 pm
@oralloy,
I wonder if they'll have a trial to prove the slander charge. And, if they do, will the prosecutor slip out for a cigarette during testimony while the jury naps?

(Both grounds for a mistrial, IMO).
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Mon 25 Jan, 2010 09:03 pm
@oralloy,
I go by what I read, as do you.
 

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