@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:
No David... you don't understand.
I was having a little fun with u.
I am a reflexively
anti-authoritarian person,
(except in a military context).
ebrown p wrote:The schools first priority is ORDER-- there can be no education with chaos.
We must
agree on that point.
That is not controversial.
ebrown p wrote:This is why the school has POWER over the students.
There are major philosophical problems with that;
i.e., where did that power come from ?
Was it from the consent of the governed?
Hell, thay r even
screwed out of their right
to vote.
This "power" emulates n mimics slavery:
forced labor, against the will of the laborer,
in exchange for no pay.
BIG PROBLEMS.
Obviously, I know the counterarguments in efforts to justify.
I was in the system long enuf to take a doctorate in jurisprudence.
ebrown p wrote:Retribution (through grades or future record) is not "cheating"...
this is the primary power that the school
(seeing as schools do not have tanks or the power to throw the students in jail).
It is naked fraud, if a student is given
a lower grade in geografy because he called the teacher a bum
or because he seduced the teacher 's wife.
The fact that, as u point out, the school cannot jail a student,
does not justify the school in
telling lies about the student.
Grades are purportedly an accurate indication of how much
of the coursework the student
learned.
If the school practices deception and mendacity about how much
he has learned as an act of vengeance for his arriving late or leaving early,
then
the school is corrupt; the grades r unreliable.
ebrown p wrote:The school authority best serves the students by imposing rules and restrictions which must be obeyed.
That word is hopelessly vague,
unless u mean that it is best for the
extortionist
who is enacting these rules (with no moral authority to do so).
Of course, as we have agreed, it
IS best to keep reasonable order.
That can be a problem, in keeping the prisoners there against their will.
ebrown p wrote:This is why it is imperative that such acts of defiance are dealt
with most severely as a deterrence so that this defiance will not happen in the future.
Again, the natural American reflex
is to reject and overthrow such arbitrary control,
to which thay have never consented,
and for which thay are not paid.
Even military conscripts are paid.
ebrown p wrote:If such insubordination; such disrespect for authority;
such flouting of the social norms are tolerated,
how will these students ever learn to be good law-abiding citizens.
Mr. Brown, u just jumped the track
and got derailed on your logic. What u propose is
BRAINWASHING,
telling American citizens
what to DO, as distinct from explaining the Pythagorean Theorum
U blythefully
ASSUME that the school has
"authority",
when that is as
FAKE as a $7 bill. It has no legitimacy.
It is a
naked Emperor.
As citizens, it is imperative that we never forget
that government is our lowlife hireling not our boss.
WE, our forefathers, created the damned thing
to serve US,
not so that
we coud serve IT.
To a government, the citizens are its Creators, its Gods,
who brought it into existence. Government is the little child of the citizen.
Holders of public office (of whom I was once one) must remember
who owes respect to whom. I propose the
DIRECT OPPOSITE
of Hitler 's dictum:
"authority from the top down, obedience from the bottom up."
Schools certainly were never granted any authority by anyone
to teach the students to be "good citizens" (whatever the hell
THAT means) nor to abide by the law.
That is not a function of education.
Indeed, the citizens may choose to throw out the law,
not to abide by it. This is supposed to be a free country,
which means that we keep government, and its representatives
in schools, on a short leash and in the words of Robert Heinlein,
keep it "weak, starved and inoffensive." (
The Moon Is a Harsh MIstress)
David
), NOT exaggerating....this is part of an actual conversation between my daughter and her friend (thank god it was the friend who was speaking - I just turned up my ipod so I could refrain from asking her to please, please, PLEASE stop saying, 'like' (which I do ask my daughter and son to try to be cognizant of all the time- but I have the right to do that - they're my own kids).
