28
   

Barney Frank, could e be right?

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 10:56 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

But I didn't " describe the district as stupid and ugly". Read what I wrote.

Have you ever been there??


Why waste your time quibbling over stuff like this? Your exact words were -

Quote:

However, some of Barney's constituents in Fall River Mass. do love him. Interesting place - one of the seriously large concentrations of stupid ugly people in the country -- truly an eddy in the genetic stream of American life.


So yes, you described the people in his district as stupid and ugly. Now, any reasonable reader of the two of our posts would have instantly seen that this is what I meant; so why bother wasting both our time?

No, I've never been there. But I have a hard time believing that the folks there are any dumber or uglier than the many places I have been in the US South. I'm sure that you were just venting a little bit, b/c you don't like Frank or the policies he proposes.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
DrewDad
 
  4  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:02 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:
But before you decide that someone cannot be engaged in reasoned argument, you need to try to do so at least once.

Perhaps you must, but don't presume to tell me what I must do or what Barney Frank must do.

There are numerous cues (visual, audible, and olfactory) that one can use to determine whether someone is reasonable or not. I propose that a sign portraying Obama as Hitler is one such cue.
0 Replies
 
ebrown p
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:10 am
Quote:


A couple of very telling admissions here. It does bring to mind some of the bullying and domineering features of some unlamented political movements that were discarded in the last century.

However, some of Barney's constituents in Fall River Mass. do love him. Interesting place - one of the seriously large concentrations of stupid ugly people in the country -- truly an eddy in the genetic stream of American life.


The Stupid Ugly people will vote Republican no matter what Barney Frank does or says.

That's the whole point, why should he worry about them?

0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:11 am
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

I can fully understand why Barney Frank would get upset and I agree that such a poster is inappropriate. However, Barney Frank is the representative and it only reflects poorly on him to insult a constituent (even if this person deserves it). He should have taken the high road and ignored her or said something negative about the poster and how inappropriate it was rather than saying arguing with a dining room table. His second comment was much more appropriate and he should have simply said that " make a negative remark on a person’s action, not on

the person themselves.

"them" ??
How many selves
?
panzade
 
  3  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:12 am
@Brandon9000,
Quote:
What information do we have which tends to support that?


oh stop with the dummy routine

The placard comparing Obama to Hitler is all the information we need to discern that this person isn't interested in reasoned debate.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:13 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

So basically, he is saying, "I could argue with you and win the argument easily, really easily, but you know what?
I won't even lower myself to debate with you."
This simply means that he is unable to support his position
with rational discussion, and is simply using insults as a distraction.
Yes.
That's a very good point.





David
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:17 am
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Brandon...

The lady was brandishing a Nazi poster.

What "rational" discussion would you expect to have with her?


The rational discussion
woud be as to he merit of her position.

She was arguing on a historical basis.
There is nothing rong with that.





David
ebrown p
 
  2  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:17 am
Here is a Stupid Ugly Woman (tm) yelling "Heil Hitler" to a Jewish man (who is defending Israels health care system).

(Notice she is wearing an IDF t-shirt)

Don't tell me this gentleman's reaction isn't warranted...

OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:21 am
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

You don't seem to consider the possibility that this woman actually believes
that Obama's plans are equal to Hitler's, and that the Democratic party is acting like the Nazis....

Well said !





`
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:27 am
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Here is a Stupid Ugly Woman (tm) yelling "Heil Hitler" to a Jewish man (who is defending Israels health care system).

(Notice she is wearing an IDF t-shirt)

Don't tell me this gentleman's reaction isn't warranted...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVS4Zgjm8HE[/youtube]

Yeah, let 's all get hysterical like that; great idea.




He has no better right to express his opinion
than she has to express her 's.





David
FreeDuck
 
  4  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:30 am
I think Barney owed the rest of the people in the town hall the courtesy of what he did in response to her question. Those people were there to talk about health care and presumably were interested in getting questions about health care answered. What this woman was interested in, I can't tell, but to have wasted the precious time necessary to allow her to speak until her lack of argument was transparent to all would have been a disservice to those who came with real questions. "Why do you support Nazi policies" is obviously not a question that she wanted an answer to, it was an accusation phrased like a question in order to obscure the fact that she was accusing a Jew of supporting Nazis.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:32 am
@panzade,

Quote:
What information do we have which tends to support that?


Quote:
oh stop with the dummy routine

The placard comparing Obama to Hitler is all the information
we need to discern that this person isn't interested in reasoned debate.

Nonsense.
If people wish to compare the Democrat's health care plans
to the beliefs of the nazis, we shoud see whether thay r right
before being as dismissive as u encourage.





David
ebrown p
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
He has no better right to express his opinion
than she has to express her 's.


That's just because he wasn't exercising his 2nd amendment rights.
0 Replies
 
FreeDuck
 
  4  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:37 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Nonsense.
If people wish to compare the Democrat's health care plans
to the beliefs of the nazis, we shoud see whether thay r right
before being as dismissive as u encourage.


Really? If I wanted to compare blueberry pie to the space shuttle, should you seriously consider that?
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:44 am
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

I think Barney owed the rest of the people in the town hall the courtesy of what he did in response to her question. Those people were there to talk about health care and presumably were interested in getting questions about health care answered. What this woman was interested in, I can't tell, but to have wasted the precious time necessary to allow her to speak until her lack of argument was transparent to all would have been a disservice to those who came with real questions. "Why do you support Nazi policies" is obviously not a question that she wanted an answer to, it was an accusation phrased like a question in order to obscure the fact that she was accusing a Jew of supporting Nazis.

Americans went to a lot of trouble and expense
to defeat the national socialists. The Jew in question
did not take much cognizance of that.
We did not go thru those exertions in order to reduce
and confine our own freedom of speech.

If a good American sees plans to do things
that are too similar to the plans of the nazis,
then he or she shoud point out those things, to be avoided.

If the Jews like that: fine.
If thay don 't like that: that 's OK too.

Our freedom of speech is not curtailed upon the basis
of whether there r Jews around in the area who hear what is being said or see anti-left posters.





David
edgarblythe
 
  3  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:48 am
For eight years the Republicans had dissenters hustled away or cordoned off so they could not be seen, let alone heard. No Republican I can recall spoke out against the practice. Now, a little incident like this raises their ire. Hmmm.
rabel22
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:49 am
Franks was right to shoot this woman down. She wasent interested in reasoned debate and her sign and question were insulting.
FreeDuck
 
  2  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The Jew in question
did not take much cognizance of that.
We did not go thru those exertions in order to reduce
and confine our own freedom of speech.

Did he not say "it's a testament to the 1st amendment that you are able to come here and assert such nonsense" or something of that nature? He showed ample respect for her right to spew hateful nonsense. That doesn't mean he has to engage it or give it the credibility of an actual argument.

Quote:

Our freedom of speech is not curtailed upon the basis
of whether there r Jews around in the area who hear what is being said or see anti-left posters.

Quite obviously she was allowed to speak. Her question received the answer it deserved.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:52 am
@FreeDuck,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Nonsense.
If people wish to compare the Democrat's health care plans
to the beliefs of the nazis, we shoud see whether thay r right
before being as dismissive as u encourage.




FreeDuck wrote:
Quote:
Really? If I wanted to compare blueberry pie to the space shuttle,
should you seriously consider that?

I shoud and coud and woud ask
what one has to do with the other.
Maybe she thinks the astronauts 'd enjoy her pie up there; gotta eat.





David
0 Replies
 
Linkat
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 11:54 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Odd, but that is how word self-corrected what I wrote - I will admit I am not an expert in grammar or spelling for that matter. As I typed it first in word (as I am a horrible speller and even worse for making typos) - word self-corrected this and I simply copy and pasted it.

I assume you have never made a simple mistake by pointing out one possible error?
 

Related Topics

T'Pring is Dead - Discussion by Brandon9000
Another Calif. shooting spree: 4 dead - Discussion by Lustig Andrei
Before you criticize the media - Discussion by Robert Gentel
Fatal Baloon Accident - Discussion by 33export
The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - Discussion by bobsal u1553115
Robin Williams is dead - Discussion by Butrflynet
Amanda Knox - Discussion by JTT
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.07 seconds on 05/02/2024 at 08:33:03