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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

We are talking about higher taxes and costs for everyone, the rationing
of health care and a decrease in the quality of health care in the US.
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And in this silly universe you live in we do not have ration health care in the US now?

The last time I enter a hospital the first thing they wished to see was my insurance card and it is checked by both my doctors and the hospitals before I got any care.

Now that sound like rationing to me.

Second my doctor wished me to had a costly drug and it took 6 months of fighting with my health plan to get it and now my doctor told me that we need to do everything by the book as my account is red flag as a result.

Sure the hell sound like rationing to me.

Higher taxes and costs for everyone, the rationing of health care and a decrease in the
quality of health care in the US will come about if and when Obamacare is adopted.

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@H2O MAN,

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Sorry kid, but your parents suck, they are products of government schools and they never should have had you.

and the watch him/her sink into a diabetic coma?

Okay...

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@H2O MAN,

So only the very rich should have children then who will take of and provide services for the rich in the next generation?

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@mysteryman,

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Lets see, if the parents WONT, I would tell the child that I was removing them from the home and placing them with a family that would take care of them.
Why should a child suffer because the parents WONT do something?

I'm almost with you there - except mysterman - how would the government be expect to fund the ENTIRE cost of caring for a child when it can't or won't even cover the cost of his/her medical care?

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If the parents CANT, I would educate the parents about all of the programs that exist to help them, I would help them sign up for whatever they are eligible for, and then give the parents a chance to show that they can and will care for their child.
If the parents refuse, see my first answer.

I'm still looking for that article.

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@H2O MAN,

So only the very rich should have children then who will take care of and provide services for the rich in the next generation?

More cheap labor from Mexico?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

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guess if ya don't pay in, ya can't collect. similar to unemployment or ssi, i guess.

You dont have to pay into SSI to collect.
Minor children can collect if their parent has died, even if the minor child never paid in.

Someone that is mentally handicapped can collect, even if they never paid in.

You need to check with the SS admin to find out.

As for unemployment, an employee does NOT pay into unemployment.
Your employer pays into it.
So, you CAN collect unemployment even if you never paid in to it, because as an employee you do not pay into it.

So your analogy is seriously flawed.

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@aidan,

aidan wrote:

So tell me what you would do for a child who developes diabetes whose mother waits tables all day and makes too much to qualify for medicaid, but has to use her wages for shelter and food for her family and can't afford insulin?

aidan wrote:

H2O nan said:

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For starters:
Get a better paying job or a second job.
Cut all non-essential expenses.
Seek out non-government charity health care networks that are ready to help.

And if their parent can't - or even just won't? What would you tell that child?

aidan wrote:

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Sorry kid, but your parents suck, they are products of government schools and they never should have had you.

and the watch him/her sink into a diabetic coma?

Okay...

aidan, how did you reach that conclusion?

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@H2O MAN,

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Sorry kid, but your parents suck, they are products of government schools and they never should have had you.

Because then you didn't say that you'd say or do anything else. Saying that to a kid who has diabetes who couldn't get treated because their parents couldn't afford insuline or test strips or blood sugar monitoring systems - and not doing anything else about it - is like sentencing that child to death.

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@aidan,

aidan wrote:

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Sorry kid, but your parents suck, they are products of government schools and they never should have had you.

Because then you didn't say that you'd say or do anything else. Saying that to a kid who has diabetes who couldn't get treated because their parents couldn't afford insuline or test strips or blood sugar monitoring systems - and not doing anything else about it - is like sentencing that child to death.

Get a better paying job or a second job.
Cut all non-essential expenses.
Seek out non-government charity health care networks that are ready to help.

All children are sentenced to death the day they are born.

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@mysteryman,

Lets see, if the parents WONT, I would tell the child that I was removing them from the home and placing them with a family that would take care of them.
Why should a child suffer because the parents WONT do something?
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That sound like a cheaper solution then to follow the rest of the world and have universal health care and more kinder to the children also as only the rich should be allow to have children and for the labor we need to be done we will shipped in Mexicans with no rights and when they can no longer work we either allow them to die on the streets or ship then back to Mexico.

You know if you sick and uncaring people ever get back into power the rest of us should begin downloading plans for building guillotines.

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@BillRM,

The sick and uncaring people are in power right now.

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@H2O MAN,

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All children are sentenced to death the day they are born.

Not from lack of insuline - at least not children in England.
Did you know that if you are diabetic in England - everything you need to manage your disease - insuline, monitoring system, everything - is free of charge through the NHS?
And did you know that if you manage and control the fluctuations of blood sugar caused by diabetes - especially type l or juvenile diabetes from an early age - the health system is much less burdened by the serious chronic and acute life threatening effects diabetics suffer in later life?

So it is to a health system's advantage to provide early managed care to diabetics.
It is counter productive and vastly more expensive not to.

If England has figured that out and can do that for its citizens, you tell me - why can't the US?

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@H2O MAN,

Did you just call me right winger?
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A far far right winger who is of the firm opinion that only other right wingers matter in any way and we are not one society with obligation to each other.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Did you just call me a right winger?
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A far far right winger who is of the firm opinion that only other right wingers matter in any way and we are not one society with obligation to each other.

You have guessed incorrectly... would you care to try again.

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@aidan,

Did you know that we are talking about Obamacare in the USA?
Not Canada, Not Mexico and Not England.

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@H2O MAN,

Yes.

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@aidan,

aidan wrote:

Yes.

OK, then I remind you that Obamacare is not concerned with improving health care in the US.

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@mysteryman,

What makes you think they would choose to get car insurance?
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I am assuming that you mean health insurance not car insurance and there should not be a choice in the matter the cost should come out of the wealth of the whole society as is now done almost everywhere else but in the third world.

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@H2O MAN,

Higher taxes and costs for everyone, the rationing of health care and a decrease in the
quality of health care in the US will come about if and when Obamacare is adopted.
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Not like the great health care system we got now that all the other countries of the world wish to set up.

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@H2O MAN,

You have guessed incorrectly... would you care to try again.
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Not a quess at all that what you are no matter what you might wish to call yourself

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