H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:11 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:



talk about the proverbial Elitist.




OK, lets talk about Obama and his rush to institute fascist medicine in the US.
ebrown p
 
  1  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:24 am
@H2O MAN,
So then ... you think Canada is a fascist country?
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:27 am
@ebrown p,

So then... you think we've been talking about Canada and not the US?

You are being more than silly ep.



We are talking about Obama's plan for health care here in the US.

We are talking about higher taxes and costs for everyone, the rationing
of health care and a decrease in the quality of health care in the US.
Setanta
 
  5  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:36 am
I think it's hilarious how the conservative nut jobs are all over the road in their attempts to smear Mr. Obama's administration and Congress. They're socialist and they're fascists. You get the worst of both worlds!
DontTreadOnMe
 
  2  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:40 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:



talk about the proverbial Elitist.




OK, lets talk about Obama and his rush to institute fascist medicine in the US.


when he tries to institute fascist medicine in the u.s., perhaps i will.

but not with you. i wouldn't want you on my side in any situation.
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:40 am
@Setanta,


Setanta and her tags: Conservative Whiners, Conservative Hysteria, Conservative Sore Losers...

Your opinions have been noted Laughing
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:41 am
@DontTreadOnMe,


Who is the proverbial Elitist now?
DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:51 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



Who is the proverbial Elitist now?


there's a difference between elitism and the survival instinct. i do not believe i could count on you in a jam.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:00 am
@DontTreadOnMe,


OK, that's one less bleeding heart liberal for me to worry about.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:14 am


No A2K liberal has disputed the fact that Obama's health care plan has never
been about improving the peoples health or the health care system in the US.

Very interesting...
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aidan
 
  2  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:16 am
@Yankee,
What about uninsured children Yankee? Should they have a savings account saved up in case they get sick?
Quote:
In recent years, much attention has been paid to the growing number of Americans who lack health insurance. Unfortunately, less attention has been paid to a startling and often-overlooked fact: One out of every five uninsured Americans is a child. Through no fault of their own, these youngest and most vulnerable members of society lack coverage for the health services they need to develop into healthy, productive adults. And despite the common misconception that these children somehow manage to get the care they need even though they are uninsured, the truth is that uninsured children fare far worse than their insured counterparts when it comes to a host of crucial medical services, including doctor visits, dental care, vision care, and prescription drugs.

Over the past 10 years, the advent of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and the increased push for children’s coverage that the new program created have led to marked declines in the number of uninsured children. Nevertheless, a great deal of work remains to be done. The most recent Census data show that, for the first time since 1998, the rate of uninsured children increased, from 10.8 percent to 11.2 percent. One in nine children is uninsured, and more than half of all uninsured children live in two-parent families.

Gone are the days when working parents could rely on employer-based health insurance to cover the whole family. Today, low-income parents often do not have access to a health plan at work, or their employer’s plan may be unaffordable. Fortunately, a large proportion of uninsured children are eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP, although better outreach is needed to get them enrolled.

This report takes a closer look at uninsured children"who they are and what kinds of services they miss out on as a result of being uninsured. It is based on data projections from the Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC) to the Current Population Survey (CPS) conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau (2004-2006), as well as the 2005 National Health Interview Survey conducted by the National Center for Health Statistics. See the Technical Appendix on page 19 of the report for a more detailed methodology.


Some numbers:
Quote:
*More than 9,000,000 children (ages 0-18) are uninsured in the US (2005).
One out of every 9 children is uninsured.

Working Status of Families with uninsured children:
*88.3% of uninsured children come from families where at least one parent works.
*Among 70% of uninsured children living with a parent, at least one family member works full-time, year round.
*Still, 70.8% of uninsured children come from low-income families ($33,200 a year for a family of three)
*59% live in two-parent households
*In more than half of two parent households with uninsured children, both parents work.

you can find the entire document here:http://www.childrenshealthcampaign.org/tools/reports/no-shelter-from-the-storm.html

It's not facism for a leader and the people of a country to want to take care of its most vulnerable people- which we are NOT doing right now.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:18 am
Nobody has yet, to my satisfaction, explained what the govt is going to do about those people who choose, on their own, to not have health insurance.

Are they going to be forced to have insurance?
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:18 am
@aidan,


Responsible parents have a savings account established for children before they have them.
DontTreadOnMe
 
  0  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:18 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



OK, that's one less bleeding heart liberal for me to worry about.


bleeding heart liberal... man, you are really on top of your game today.

H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:19 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:



Are they going to be forced to have insurance?


That or they will be jailed.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:20 am
@DontTreadOnMe,

Thanks.
DontTreadOnMe
 
  2  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:23 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Nobody has yet, to my satisfaction, explained what the govt is going to do about those people who choose, on their own, to not have health insurance.

Are they going to be forced to have insurance?


i haven't seen what the final plan is yet, so i couldn't really say, j. the way i heard it discussed by obama is that it would be an option, or alternative to the for profit insurance companies.

i guess if ya don't pay in, ya can't collect. similar to unemployment or ssi, i guess.
aidan
 
  3  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:23 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Responsible parents have a savings account established for children before they have them.

Really? With enough money in it to pay for cancer treatments or insulin for diabetes (which can cost over $1,ooo a month if you're not on a prescription plan)?!

Well then count me among the irresponsible. Because my husband was in school when my son was born, and if I hadn't been working for the state of New Jersey as a teacher with a primo health insurance plan - I'd have been up ****'s creek during my pregnancy and if my son had had a chronic illness.

That's bullshit H2O man - a lot of responsible parents are busting their humps to take care of their kids on little more than minimum wage.

So tell me what you would do for a child who developes diabetes whose mother waits tables all day and makes too much to qualify for medicaid, but has to use her wages for shelter and food for her family and can't afford insulin?
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:27 am
@aidan,


Responsible parents have have insurance.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:29 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:


i guess if ya don't pay in, ya can't collect.


That's not what Obama is telling millions of illegal aliens.
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