Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 08:48 pm
geez, I'll have to ask you all about various teas...
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 09:04 pm
sweetie, I was weaned off mate when I was 6. I had my own bombilla(straw). It is some damn good tea.
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 11:40 pm
I do not agree with Dlowan that the behavior of Sanford is a "private thing" now that it has come to light. One of the essential characteristics of politicians should be the ability to create trust among his constituents. How can you trust anyone who is unfaithful to his spouse?

I think Sanford should be impeached. He put his emotional life before his responsibilities to his constituents.

It is possible that after Clinton and Barney Frank, there is no real shock among most US citizens over sexual peccadillos. I know that I would never vote for Sanford if he was my governor---Just as I would never vote for Blagojevich or Barney Frank or John Edwards or Eliot Spitzer or Larry Craig or David Vitter or John Ensign and especially Bill Clinton---the undisputed champion of them all!!
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 11:42 pm
I have some in my cache. Time to check it out.
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 11:43 pm
Again, Finn contributes a solid argument:

I'm sure there are theories that these qualities make for good leaders, but does anyone know how many of our presidents were unfaithful to their wives?

I think Clinton was the only one who admitted it, but it seems widely accepted that both JFK and FDR had affairs while in office, and that both Jefferson and LBJ cheated on their wives.

Carter only cheated on his wife in his heart, and Nixon probably only had sex twice in his entire life - both times with Pat. Lincoln should have cheated on his wife if he didn't, and Andrew Jackson married a woman who was having sex with him when she herself was married to someone else.

And as for the hypocrisy of Republicans.

Why is it not hypocritical for a Democrat to cheat on their spouse? Because that sort of behavior is expected of them? Because they never criticize anyone's morality?

Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 11:46 pm
Oh, and I get your original comment was somehow lascivious, I just don't get it. So, I'll brew the teas and see.
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 11:48 pm
I think that Setanta is showing his age. He wrote:

However, hypocrisy has a great deal to do with the Republican party.

No link-No supporting evidence. Only the comment by the ex professor who still has his notes from Howard Zinn's class.
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 11:51 pm
counter spam...

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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 12:34 am
Panzade-- I took the liberty of reading your profile. You say you lived in Firenze. My hat's off to you. I think it is the greatest city in the world.
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 02:29 am
why am I not surprised. Oh, i almost 4got: America is corrupt.
Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 04:38 am
dirrtydozen22 wrote:

Oh, i almost 4got: America is corrupt.

More so today than ever before...
Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 04:44 am
Im pissed because Obama seems to be just continuing the same **** as Bush was pushing.
Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 05:02 am
farmerman wrote:

Im pissed because Obama seems to be just continuing the same **** as Bush was pushing.

He started out pushing the same **** that Bush was pushing, but PrezBO has pushed well beyond that high watermark.
The amount of **** PrezBO has pushed through is staggering, but the speed at which it was pushed through is
an even bigger problem... Congress never got a chance to read and understand what they were pushing through.
This lack of due diligence will haunt those that signed off of on PrezBO's ****. NONE of these public servants should be re-elected.
The damage that has been done by Obama and the Congress will wreak havoc on this country for decades.
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 07:47 am
Why is it not hypocritical for a Democrat to cheat on their spouse? Because that sort of behavior is expected of them? Because they never criticize anyone's morality?

In general for years now the republican party has campaigned and given speeches on being the party of morality. In general the democrat party does not give speeches on morality, nor is it their main party's platform.

The following are a few examples the hypocrisy in republican politicians not practicing what they preach.

Republican philanderer and hypocrite
Newt Gingrich was cheating on his
wife while denouncing President Bill Clinton's extramarital affair

Republican activist Matthew Glavin,
who preached family values, was caught
masturbating in public and fondling
an undercover park ranger

Republican Mayor Jim West
championed an anti-gay agenda,
but was later found to be gay himself

Republican preacher Jimmy Swaggart
preached fidelity, but cheated on
his wife with a prostitute

Republican Congressman Bob Livingston was planning to vote for
impeaching President Clinton
for sexual improprieties until
it was disclosed he is an adulterer

Republican Congressman Henry Hyde
denounced President Clinton's extramarital affair, but was later found
to be an adulterer himself

Bob Barr, Republican Congressman from Georgia. Sponsored the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act, saying "The flames of hedonism, the flames of narcissism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundation of our society, the family unit." Was married three times. Paid for his second wife's abortion. Failed to pay child support to the children of his first two wives and while married to his third and present wife was photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.

Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist from Maryland, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Source: Washington Blade

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens.

Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then immediately ditched his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll for the unheard-of salary of $97,500. Conservative Babylon

Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.

Roy Cohn, continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS. Wikipedia Article

John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child. American Politics Journal Article

Ted Haggart, pastor of a 3,000-member church, who preached often against homosexuality, spoke with President Bush frequently, and was held up as a pillar of "family values." Turns out he had a sexual relationship with a male prostitute, who he also paid for meth-amphetamines.

Mark Harris, Republican city councilman from Wisconsin who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor from Des Moines, Iowa, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies. Says he supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child.

Neal Horsley, anti-abortion activist from Georgia. Has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. Admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had sex with mules. Put photographs on his Web site of naked men engaging in homosexual acts and a nude woman engaging in bestiality amid shots of grotesquely maimed fetuses. Drug dealer convicted of possession of hashish with intent to sell. He calls for "the establishment of a new government, one that can obey God's plan for government."

Bob Livingston, former Congressman (R-La.), Speaker of the House; resigned from the House in the wake of revelations about his past adultery -- at the same time he was leading calls for impeachment of President Clinton.

Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that “Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.”

John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays.

Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition as well as a member of the South Carolina Republican Party’s executive committee, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. Herald-Journal Article |Commentary on Newsweek Article

Ed Schrock, two-term Republican Congressman from Virginia, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host. Promotes family values, but estranged from her mother; opposes birth control, but has had her tubes tied; espouses saving oneself for marriage, but admits to having had sex before she was married; opposes adultery, but has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man; opposes divorce, but is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online

J.C. Watts, Representative (R-Oklahoma), loud champion of "moral values." Has out-of-wedlock children.

Jim West, Spokane Mayor. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that “any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person” among teens be criminalized. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old boy.Source: Spokesman Review


Republican US Senator Larry Craig Republican US Senator Larry Craig, who represented the western state of Idaho for 27 years on Capitol Hill, announced that he was resigning following his arrest for allegedly soliciting sex with an undercover policeman in an airport bathroom.

An ardent opponent of gay marriage and an outspoken critic of sexual improprieties by other politicians, Craig, 62, said was "deeply sorry," addressing his apology to the people of Idaho and to his own family.

Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 08:47 am
nice homework...just missed one of my faves Mark Foley


In the House, Foley was one of the foremost opponents of child pornography. Foley had served as chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. He introduced a bill, coined the "Child Modeling Exploitation prevention Act of 2002" to outlaw web sites featuring sexually suggestive images of preteen children, saying that “these websites are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles.”

The original news report prompted another page to come forward and on September 29, 2006, ABC News reported that it had seen excerpts of sexually explicit instant messages allegedly sent by Foley.[25] The instant messages made repeated references to sexual organs and acts.

After leaving Congress, Foley entered the real estate business in Palm Beach, Florida.[45] He also admitted to being a gay man, and as of 2007 was in a long-term relationship with a Palm Beach dermatologist, Layne Nisenbaum.
Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 09:07 am
That is quite a long list, revel. Panzade added one more.

Comedian Jon Stewart on his comedy news show said this about Governor Sanford: "Just another guy with a conservative brain and a liberal penis."
Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 12:37 pm
Sanford's problems mirror a continuing dichotomy in the sexual mores of conservative legislators, evangelists and pundits, i.e. the difference between their attitudes toward sex, and their sexual behaviour.
Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 01:58 pm
panzade wrote:

In the House, Foley was one of the foremost opponents of child pornography.

I don't think this one fits the hypocrit category. He wasn't found with a child or watching porn.
Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 02:04 pm
I'll clear the muddy waters

from same wiki:

More pages came forward, alleging a history of inappropriate conduct by Foley dating back at least 10 years. Foley had been warned about the matter in 2005 by another House Republican and the House Clerk.

Through his lawyer, Foley insisted he was not a pedophile and asserted that he had not "had contact" with a minor. This implied that though he did not sexually assault any male interns, he did not explicitly deny sending them solicitous and sexually overt text-messages; thus sidestepping the question of whether he should have apologized (in public or in private) to the interns who had complained about him.

Foley also explained that he had a drinking problem and had made the communications while intoxicated. He checked himself into a rehab clinic on October 2, 2006.[32]

His lawyer also revealed that Foley was molested by a clergyman when he was between the ages of 13 and 15 adding that “Mark Foley wants you to know he is a gay man.”[33]

Federal authorities said the explicit messages could result in Foley’s prosecution, under some of the same laws he helped to enact.[34]

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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2009 02:15 pm
panzade wrote:

Sanford's problems mirror a continuing dichotomy in the sexual mores of conservative legislators, evangelists and pundits, i.e. the difference between their attitudes toward sex, and their sexual behaviour.

This applies to SOME conservative legislators.
I am very conservative, but I don 't support sexually repressive laws.
I don 't believe that Barry Goldwater supported such laws.
As conservatives we are for freedom and those hypocrits are NOT conservative,
tho thay might be conservative about other distinct matters.

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