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Just When You Think Nothing Can Shock You

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 01:08 pm
@maporsche,
Phenylketonuria is a condition which arises when the body is unable metabolize phenylalanine. It is a problem for some people for genetic reasons. Whether or not that includes you would require a test--a blood test, i believe, but don't quote me. The question is not whether or not it's diet mountain dew, but whether or not any product you consume contains phenylalanine. I used to drink six or eight diet cokes a day, and i was having more an more problems with my feet--i was getting classic symptoms of "gout." One day, somebody got me a diet Pepsi rather than a diet Coke. There on the side of the can, in big letters, was the word phenylalanine. I looked a can of diet coke next chance i got, and sure enough, phenylalanine was listed, in very, very fine print--not so you'd notice.

The thing about PKU (phenylketonuria) is that the damage it does is irreversible. It would be worth your while to get tested for that reason alone. If you can metabolize phenylalanine, you're free and clear. If not, stop drinking diet soda, and avoid any product containing aspartame.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 01:13 pm
The ad at the bottom of the previous pages features Kraft Macaroni and Cheese.

Great. Just great.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 01:14 pm
@roger,
Oh yeah, macaroni and cheese dinners are great . . . i like to make up two boxes at once, and eat myself sick . . .
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 01:17 pm
@Setanta,
What type of doctor do I call for this test? Or should I just go to my GP's office?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 01:22 pm
@maporsche,
Your GP could do this for you, although you might get a strange look. This test is now routinely performed on all newborns. Phenylalanine occurs naturally, but the difference with aspartame is that it occurs there as a "stand alone" chemical.

By the way, other than the diet soda, i highly approve of your choice of meal . . . i like to go to MacD's and order two quarter pounders with onions only, and tell them i can't have salt. That guarantees that your burgers and fries will be freshly cooked. Of course, i stop on the way out of the store to pick up several packets of salt.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 01:29 pm
@Bi-Polar Bear,
I can't stand Paula Dean. I wonder if she exagerates her cutsie southern accent.

BBB


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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 01:35 pm
Oh dear.
Here I go again, having to swim upstream to the common way of thinking.

I can post many sites, many links and I will quickly find a few to post to help make my point. But since everyone has swallowed the notion that high fructose corn syrup is good in moderation ( Insert commercial smile here) I doubt my words will mean anything.

ANY thing made from sulfuric acid should not go in your body. No matter if it is " moderation" or not. Adding sulfuric acid to CORN is the very first step in making HFCS.
Last I checked, sulfuric acid destroyed things it touched. But moderation is the key eh?
Regular , everyday corn that we eat, that is in everything we consume has to be processed before we can even eat it , it has been modified SO much. This isnt an arguement for modified foods though.. I wont even touch that subject because modification is necessary to a certain extent.

My point here is how much b/s we are fed every day with the thoughts that fake sweetners and chemicals like HFCS are good for us and not what is causing all of our blood sugar, obesity and to a certain extent depression. But..argue that all you will.
Here is a low key, easy speaking person on how to make HFCS and what happens to lab rats who are given that stuff.
http://www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/cornsyrup.html

Now, here is a simple to understand, easy blog video of how to make HFCS.
And since they quote doctors, scientists, tests and many other reputable sources, you yourself can go on and look them up .
http://www.truveo.com/King-Corn-14/id/2264276201

and for those who look to and trust Wiki -

Quote:

Critics of HFCS point out a correlation between increased usage of HFCS in foods and obesity rates in the United States over three decades. Some allege that HFCS is in itself more detrimental to health than table sugar (sucrose); others claim that the low cost of HFCS encourages overconsumption of sugars. The Corn Refiners Association has launched an aggressive advertising campaign to counter these criticisms, claiming that high fructose corn syrup "is natural" and "has the same natural sweeteners as table sugar".[26] Both sides point to studies in peer reviewed journals that allegedly support their point of view. Pepsi Co. is even now marketing "Pepsi Throwback" to counter loss of the movement to non HFCS soft drinks.

Elliot et al.,[27] implicate increased consumption of fructose (due primarily to the increased consumption of sugars but also partly due to the slightly higher fructose content of HFCS as compared to sucrose) in obesity and insulin resistance. Chi-Tang Ho et al. found that soft drinks sweetened with HFCS are up to 10 times richer in harmful carbonyl compounds, such as methylglyoxal, than a diet soft drink control.[28] Carbonyl compounds are elevated in people with diabetes and are blamed for causing diabetic complications such as foot ulcers and eye and nerve damage;[29][30]

A study in mice suggests that fructose increases obesity.[31] Large quantities of fructose stimulate the liver to produce triglycerides, promotes glycation of proteins and induces insulin resistance.[32] According to one study, the average American consumes nearly 70 lb (32 kg) of HFCS a year, marking HFCS as a major contributor to the rising rates of obesity in the last generation. [33]



Wait... wait..
what was that?

Quote:
found that soft drinks sweetened with HFCS are up to 10 times richer in harmful carbonyl compounds, such as methylglyoxal, than a diet soft drink control.[28] Carbonyl compounds are elevated in people with diabetes and are blamed for causing diabetic complications such as foot ulcers and eye and nerve damage;


what. the ****?

The exact thing that is OUT OF CONTROL in people with diabeties, can be found in almost 10 TIMES the amount in foods with HFCS?

A little bit of common sense comes into MY mind when thinking about whether or not to trust a -chemical- that raises all of these questions, has all of these issues, and is tested over and over again for safety for reasons like stated above.
It is very simple to avoid it all together. Yes? I mean.. why not?
If someone said that something you had in your home was emitting radiation that would kill you, you would go out and replace it with something else. Simple solution.

But radiation isnt addicting.
HFCS is.
high levels of isolated fructose (as found in HFCS) cause a reduction in circulating insulin and leptin, which effectively turns off the body's appetite control mechanisms, thus causing you to eat more. It also creates a small feeling of euphoria.

Now, please dont quote the AMA. They contradict themselves everytime they open their mouths about this.

"After studying current research, the American Medical Association (AMA) today concluded that high fructose syrup does not appear to contribute more to obesity than other caloric sweeteners."

In fact, the last half of the sentence adds an immediate qualifier:

"But [the AMA] called for further independent research to be done on the health effects of high fructose syrup and other sweeteners."

They then went on to say:

"We do recommend consumers limit the amount of all added caloric sweeteners to no more than 32 grams of sugar daily.

(http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/18691.html)

32 grams of sugar per day is about 1/4 of a diet soda.
So please tell me how americans can keep to that?
not to mention that HFCS is in your bread, crackers, cheese, milk, yogurt, pasta, toothpaste ( some) , canned beans, cereal, waffles, soup, blah blah blah blah blah.

32 grams of sugar? In american diet?........possibly.
But HFCS jacks your blood sugar around harder then just plain ole white sugar. You might as well be eating 3 times the white sugar instead of going for foods with HFCS.



but.. go ahead.
Call people who avoid that chemicals crack pipes.

roger
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 01:54 pm
@shewolfnm,
Quote:
I can post many sites, many links and I will quickly find a few to post to help make my point. But since everyone has swallowed the notion that high fructose corn syrup is good in moderation ( Insert commercial smile here) I doubt my words will mean anything.


I didn't even come close to saying that. I said it is a sugar, and it is.

Quote:
ANY thing made from sulfuric acid should not go in your body. No matter if it is " moderation" or not. Adding sulfuric acid to CORN is the very first step in making HFCS.


It isn't a part of the finished product, and all that matter is what's in the finished product. Sulfuric acid isn't. Now, the stuff isn't good for you, but it is a sugar, and it doesn't contain sulfuric acid.

If you have diabetes, you count grams of carbs, not just grams of sugars. Considering the things I've been served by people who know I have diaabetes, there are lots of people who don't understand this. I've worked with the problem (diabetes) for over 5 years, and I do.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 02:22 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I generally eat healthy, but am not a fanatic.
I ate from Jack in the Box two times this month.

When I see food advertized as being healthy,
I take that as a warning label.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 02:24 pm


I sincerely don 't like the taste of macaroni and cheese.





David
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 02:39 pm
Bear, I had to stop watching Paula Deen. She puts butter and mayo on everything, including bacon sandwiches deep fried in lard. Gagggggggggg!
roger
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 02:48 pm
@glitterbag,
Hmmm. Mayo on the breaded, deepfried margarine sticks. That has potential.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 02:53 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I sincerely don 't like the taste of macaroni and cheese.
Nobody cares Dave. Ill bet if you pour in a little cordite youd lick the plate clean
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 02:56 pm
@roger,
I knew a chef once, who really despised the owner of the restaurant, and who claimed he'd eat anything. So, once, she froze some sticks of butter, dredged them in an egg wash and crackcrumbs, deep-fried them and served them to him.

He raved about them.
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chai2
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 05:06 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Farmerman, that describes me. I'm that guy who orders 2 double cheeseburgers and a large diet coke.

If I'm going to shove 40g of fat down my throat, I could at least have the common sense to not add 400g of sugar to that 'meal' right?


I thought you were the guy that has no interest in food, and would take a pill instead of eating if it contained everything your body needed.
chai2
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 05:14 pm
chere we got aur sweet.....'n aur sav'ry....

gag....



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maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 05:15 pm
@chai2,
I am that guy. I'm still looking for said pill.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 05:23 pm
@Bi-Polar Bear,
My wife has just printed out that recipe and she is going to make it this week.
I will report back on how good it is or if its edible or not.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 08:17 pm
@chai2,
SAID BY MAPORSCHE
Quote:
If I'm going to shove 40g of fat down my throat, I could at least have the common sense to not add 400g of sugar to that 'meal' right?
So you justify an entire days (PLUS) of calories and salt and sugar and nitroso dimethylamine, and grease and other ****, by drinking another hazardous material.



maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 08:22 pm
@farmerman,
2 double cheeseburgers is not an entire day's worth of calories. I run over 25 miles per week and I'm in the gym lifting weights 3 days / week.

And I don't eat that stuff often (I haven't had fast food in over 5 months probably), but I'm fully aware of the calories/fat when I do.
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