Guns: how much longer will it take ....

Not all murderers are criminals before they act. Since we will not run out of disturbed individuals anytime soon, we have to take away the weapons that allow them to act out. Your demand to have weapons of mass destruction means nothing to me.

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@edgarblythe,

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The owner of such weapons always denies the truth about them.

How is that different than denying the motives behind hyping a tragedy to something that happened because the authorities failed to do their job. You argument is based on a lie. Laws in use now could have stopped this, they were not enforced.

It took a while for people to admit "hands up, don't shoot was a lie" even after the cop was completely exonerated. Prolonging a lie does not and will never make it the truth.

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@coldjoint,

Had high capacity, rapid fire semi's NOT been available to a target market the entire law enforcement competence issue would have been moot. I like the way you try to deconstruct things in order to try to reach a point.

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@farmerman,

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Had high capacity, rapid fire semi's NOT been available to a target market the entire law enforcement competence issue would have been moot.

Of course the people that own those weapons eventually turn to crime. Laughing

Your argument denies the facts concerning this shooting, therefore you have no argument at all.

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@coldjoint,

Im talking Parkland, I only responded to your pink assertions because you guys do have a habit of acting like a mythological ostrich. Talk talk talk, do nothing, but keep your NRA puppetmasters happy .

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@edgarblythe,

Repeating the same exaggeration won't make it true. Rifles and hand guns are not "weapons of mass destruction".

I agree that not all murderers are criminals before they act, but they are after they murder. Until you can make a minority report and tell the future we are stuck with the law and the constitution.

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@farmerman,

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but keep your NRA puppetmasters happy .

And you constantly repeating that garbage makes your puppetmasters happy.
So I guess we are even.

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@coldjoint,

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Of course the people that own those weapons eventually turn to crime.

But those that turn to crime dont uually do it with a fireplace poker. Most violent crimes are gun assisted .Do you agree??

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@farmerman,

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Im talking Parkland,

If you are talking about Parkland why bring up high capacity mags, he used 10 round mags, the very same ones that are still legal even after the shooting. How long until you want to limit mag capacity to 7 or 5 rounds?

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I only responded to your pink assertions because you guys do have a habit of acting like a mythological ostrich. Talk talk talk, do nothing, but keep your NRA puppetmasters happy .

The only talk about this subject that will make you happy is people agreeing with you on the gun restrictions. NRA puppet masters? You mean people joining the NRA to protect their 2nd Amendment rights? It strikes me that the NRA is the puppet of the people who join the NRA.

Shall we compare the amounts of death from Planned Parenthood vs deaths by the NRA? I promise you, PP has a much larger body count.

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@farmerman,

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But those that turn to crime dont uually do it with a fireplace poker. Most violent crimes are gun assisted .Do you agree??

No. People use all sorts of items to kill people. Baseball bats, knifes, heavy blunt objects, cars and even their own fists and feet. The only time we are concerned with an object is when it's a gun. You don't blame the knife or the bat or the fists, only the guns.

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@farmerman,

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Do you agree??

Nope. An assault is a violent crime. Assaults are done with fists, objects like bats and fireplace pokers, and knives. It is silly to think there are more murders by gun than violent assaults. But you wear it well.

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@coldjoint,

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Do you agree??

Nope. An assault is a violent crime. Assaults are done with fists, objects like bats and fireplace pokers, and knives. It is silly to think there are more murders by gun than violent assaults. But you wear it well.

Legally speaking, those are not assaults. They are batteries.

Not important, just a fun fact.

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We can all agree that more murders in the USA are committed with a gun than any other weapon? Right? As rational human beings with functioning brains, we can at least agree on that one fact?

Maybe we can even agree that suicides are more likely to be successful with a gun than with say, pills. And that the chance of dying via suicide is more likely in homes that have firearms. Can we agree there too, or is that too far?

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@maporsche,

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We can all agree that more murders in the USA are committed with a gun than any other weapon?

That is because a gun is a tool. And it happens to be the most efficient tool at the crime of murder, as it is the most efficient tool for self defense. It comes down to the criminal, not the gun.

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@maporsche,

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We can all agree that more murders in the USA are committed with a gun than any other weapon? Right? As rational human beings with functioning brains, we can at least agree on that one fact?

Sure we can agree on that, but so? Most holes are dug with shovels, most nails are hit with hammers and most leaves are gathered with rakes. They are tools. Stop blaming the implement and start figuring how to change the behavior.

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@McGentrix,

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start figuring how to change the behavior.

That is the elephant in the room. It is clearly the moral disintegration of the nuclear family, by design, by the very people who are screaming the loudest.

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@MontereyJack,

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really nice of you to condemn innocent people to death so you can have your gun. Very moral.

Actually very few innocent people die because of guns. We can count accidental gun deaths, but murderers would just kill with a different weapon if they could not use a gun.

How many people die of car accidents because you insist on being able to drive a car?

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@McGentrix,

Ok. We have some agreement.

Let's see if we can get one more.

If there were no guns, there would be fewer murders. Yes or no.

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@MontereyJack,

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No,of course .murders wiuld not stop. But 12000 or so a year would.

Wrong. Those murders would still occur, just using different weapons.

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Youre buying your "freedom" with other peoples'lives.

Not when that freedom is not costing any lives.

However. Just for the sake of argument let's say hypothetically that our right to have guns did cost a lot of lives.

We'd still have the right to have guns.

Driving cars costs a lot of lives. We still drive cars.

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@oralloy,

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Driving cars costs a lot of lives. We still drive cars.

But if we got rid of cars and everyone switched to walking or riding a bike or a train or a plane...some people would die (falling off a bike can break a neck, some planes crash, etc), but not as many.....right?

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