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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 6 May, 2023 10:49 pm
8 victims (and the gunman) are dead in the Texas mall shooting.
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Rep. Keith Self (R), who represents the Allen area in Congress, said on CNN that people who were calling for gun control, rather than just thoughts and prayers, “don’t believe in an almighty God … who is absolutely in control of our lives.”

“People want to make this political, but prayers are important,” he said.
WP
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 02:31 am
There will be about 60 mass shootings in the US next month.

And there’s no plan to stop any of them from happening.
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 03:15 am
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For years now, after one massacre or another, I have written some version of the same article, explaining that the nation’s current gun free-for-all is not traditional but, rather, is a symptom of the takeover of our nation by a radical extremist minority. The idea that massacres are “the price of freedom,” as right-wing personality Bill O’Reilly said in 2017 after the Mandalay Bay massacre in Las Vegas, in which a gunman killed 60 people and wounded 411 others, is new, and it is about politics, not our history.

The Second Amendment to the Constitution, on which modern-day arguments for widespread gun ownership rest, is one simple sentence: “A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” There’s not a lot to go on about what the Framers meant, although in their day, to “bear arms” meant to be part of an organized militia.

As the Tennessee Supreme Court wrote in 1840, “A man in the pursuit of deer, elk, and buffaloes might carry his rifle every day for forty years, and yet it would never be said of him that he had borne arms; much less could it be said that a private citizen bears arms because he has a dirk or pistol concealed under his clothes, or a spear in a cane.”

Today’s insistence that the Second Amendment gives individuals a broad right to own guns comes from two places.

One is the establishment of the National Rifle Association in New York in 1871, in part to improve the marksmanship skills of American citizens who might be called on to fight in another war, and in part to promote in America the British sport of elite shooting, complete with hefty cash prizes in newly organized tournaments. Just a decade after the Civil War, veterans jumped at the chance to hone their former skills. Rifle clubs sprang up across the nation.

By the 1920s, rifle shooting was a popular American sport. “Riflemen” competed in the Olympics, in colleges, and in local, state, and national tournaments organized by the NRA. Being a good marksman was a source of pride, mentioned in public biographies, like being a good golfer. In 1925, when the secretary of the NRA apparently took money from ammunition and arms manufacturers, the organization tossed him out and sued him.

NRA officers insisted on the right of citizens to own rifles and handguns but worked hard to distinguish between law-abiding citizens who should have access to guns for hunting and target shooting and protection, and criminals and mentally ill people, who should not. In 1931, amid fears of bootlegger gangs, the NRA backed federal legislation to limit concealed weapons; prevent possession by criminals, the mentally ill and children; to require all dealers to be licensed; and to require background checks before delivery. It backed the 1934 National Firearms Act, and parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act, designed to stop what seemed to be America’s hurtle toward violence in that turbulent decade.

But in the mid-1970s a faction in the NRA forced the organization away from sports and toward opposing “gun control.” It formed a political action committee (PAC) in 1975, and two years later it elected an organization president who abandoned sporting culture and focused instead on “gun rights.”

This was the second thing that led us to where we are today: leaders of the NRA embraced the politics of Movement Conservatism, the political movement that rose to combat the business regulations and social welfare programs that both Democrats and Republicans embraced after World War II.

Movement Conservatives embraced the myth of the American cowboy as a white man standing against the “socialism” of the federal government as it sought to level the economic playing field between Black Americans and their white neighbors.

Leaders like Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater personified the American cowboy, with his cowboy hat and opposition to government regulation, while television Westerns showed good guys putting down bad guys without the interference of the government.

In 1972 the Republican platform had called for gun control to restrict the sale of “cheap handguns,” but in 1975, as he geared up to challenge President Gerald R. Ford for the 1976 presidential nomination, Movement Conservative hero Ronald Reagan took a stand against gun control. In 1980, the Republican platform opposed the federal registration of firearms, and the NRA endorsed a presidential candidate—Reagan—for the first time.

When President Reagan took office, a new American era, dominated by Movement Conservatives, began. And the power of the NRA over American politics grew.

In 1981 a gunman trying to kill Reagan shot and paralyzed his press secretary, James Brady, and wounded Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy and police officer Thomas Delahanty. After the shooting, then-representative Charles Schumer (D-NY) introduced legislation that became known as the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, or the Brady Bill, to require background checks before gun purchases. Reagan, who was a member of the NRA, endorsed the bill, but the NRA spent millions of dollars to defeat it.

After the Brady Bill passed in 1993, the NRA paid for lawsuits in nine states to strike it down. Until 1959, every single legal article on the Second Amendment concluded that it was not intended to guarantee individuals the right to own a gun. But in the 1970s, legal scholars funded by the NRA had begun to argue that the Second Amendment did exactly that.

In 1997, when the Brady Bill cases came before the Supreme Court as Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court declared parts of the measure unconstitutional.

Now a player in national politics, the NRA was awash in money from gun and ammunition manufacturers. By 2000 it was one of the three most powerful lobbies in Washington. It spent more than $40 million on the 2008 election. In that year, the landmark Supreme Court decision of District of Columbia v. Heller struck down gun regulations and declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms.

Increasingly, NRA money backed Republican candidates. In 2012 the NRA spent $9 million in the presidential election, and in 2014 it spent $13 million. Then, in 2016, it spent over $50 million on Republican candidates, including more than $30 million on Trump’s effort to win the White House. This money was vital to Trump, since many other Republican super PACs refused to back him. The NRA spent more money on Trump than any other outside group, including the leading Trump super PAC, which spent $20.3 million.

The unfettered right to own and carry weapons has come to symbolize the Republican Party’s ideology of individual liberty. Lawmakers and activists have not been able to overcome Republican insistence on gun rights despite the mass shootings that have risen since their new emphasis on guns.

Tonight, I am, once again, posting yet another version of this article.

hcr
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 04:33 am
@Wilso,
This year is a record breaker for mass shootings in America.

8 people killed in Texas yesterday, more than one mass shooting every week.

Friendly embassies are advising against travel to America, violence towards LGBTQ people is off the charts as is violence towards eithic minorities and women.

Not the mention the NRA's recreational mass shootings every year.

One thing's for sure I'll be taking my embassy's advice and staying away until sensible gun laws have passed.

Why would anyone want to go to Florida, where they can be shot for sport by the locals under stand your ground laws?

If you get raped in Florida you'll be held in an internment camp, forced to give birth so you can see your child killed by the NRA.

No other country does that.
Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 04:46 am
@izzythepush,
I’ll just be staying away.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 04:52 am
@Wilso,
Same here, it's too expensive, lots of place in Europe and North Africa that a lot cheaper to travel.

You've got some wonderful places near you. I've always wanted to see Ankor Wat in Cambodia.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 06:26 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

This year is a record breaker for mass shootings in America.

8 people killed in Texas yesterday, more than one mass shooting every week.


I was wrong there's been 127 days this year so far with 198 mass shootings in the same period.

That's more than one a day. It's more than one and a half every day.

More than three mass shootings every two days.
revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 08:10 am
@izzythepush,
It's horrible. My family is going on vacation soon, and I have been becoming increasingly worried about it for this very reason. Unfortunately, all I can do is pray and hope all goes well. We can't just dig in and hibernate in our houses, refusing to even answer the door...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 08:47 am
@revelette1,
It seems to have accelerated of late.

The bloke in Texas just got out of a car and started shooting, it seems completely random, not that it's worse than hate based crimes that tackle a particular group.

I agree with you about going on with your daily lives, but there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for change.

This shooting, which Governor Adams labelled a "tragedy," happened a few days after he passed legislation loosening up already loose gun laws.

So many people seem to be moving in the opposite direction.
revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 12:27 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
This shooting, which Governor Adams labelled a "tragedy," happened a few days after he passed legislation loosening up already loose gun laws.


I know, I don't know how they can do keep loosing up gun laws knowing how dangerous it is getting. For one thing, I don't know how it can be loosed much more in some states to begin with. For another, none of us are safe from random shooting in this country anymore, if we ever were too safe.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 05:01 pm
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On CNN Texas state Representative Keith Self responded to a question about critics who say that prayers aren't enough to prevent shootings saying, “Well, those are people that don’t believe in an almighty God who is absolutely in control of our lives. I’m a Christian. I believe that he is.”

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God has never passed gun regulation legislation. God has never passed abortion restriction legislation either, for that matter.
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chrisb555
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 07:52 pm
@hightor,
I hate, hate the violence our people levy on each other. Guns are too prevalent. That being said, I am a republican, a gun owner, a hunter and raised my kids as such. One is a vegan, bi-sexual, the other a staunch conservative for no other reason than she loves her hobby and collecting guns. I would not have predicted this 30 years ago, but it is as it is. Guns are both power for those that seek it and sport for the majority. Something to do. Perfecting the perfect load and projectile combination that optimizes the grouping on a paper target has been one of my kid's favorite hobbies. Growing up, I hunted with my uncle who taught me to appreciate the outdoors and understand what hunting results in and how that meat gets on the table. It has stuck with me since. I always respect the power of the gun and results it obtains. Our issues with mass shootings are not because of guns, they are exacerbated by the massive trauma they can create in a simple act of pulling the trigger, but it's not guns. It is our society and our inability to deal with problems without simply flipping a switch. Let it build, tell everybody it's somebody else's fault, provide no shelter for the abused, simply talk the talk, but act as cliques as we have always done. Being kind isn't always kind. Call out the dangerous and abnormal. Everybody knows who they are afraid of and whom should get some special attention. Just say it. Stop protecting your peer who is obviously not right. Jeez.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 09:28 pm
@chrisb555,
It's precisely because it is our society and our inability to deal with problems without simply flipping a switch that our society shouldn't have the negligent arms laws that it presently has. The phrase "that's why we can't have nice things" would hold in regard to arms were it not for the very dysfunction of our society and its government and its dereliction of duty concerning the good regulation of arms.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 10:07 pm
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. People living in a culture of glorified patriotic violence with unfettered access to firearms kill people.....WITH GUNS.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2023 10:16 pm
Never in recorded history has four-year-old found his father's loaded book and accidentally killed his younger sister.

But America bans books.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2023 01:43 am
I'm so lucky not to live under the tyrrany of the second ammendment.

We protect our children from NRA child murdering scum.
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2023 11:27 am
Timothy McVeigh’s Dreams Are Coming True

Michelle Goldberg wrote:
Timothy McVeigh, the right-wing terrorist who killed 168 people in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, cared about one issue above all others: guns. To him, guns were synonymous with freedom, and any government attempt to regulate them meant incipient tyranny.

“When it came to guns,” writes Jeffrey Toobin in “Homegrown,” his compelling new book about the Oklahoma City attack, “McVeigh did more than simply advocate for his own right to own and use firearms; he joined an ascendant political crusade, which grew more extreme over the course of his lifetime and beyond.”

Reading Toobin’s book, it’s startling to realize how much McVeigh’s cause has advanced in the decades since his 2001 execution. McVeigh, who was a member of the K.K.K. and harbored a deep resentment of women, hoped that blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building would inspire an army of followers to make war on the government. This didn’t happen immediately, although, as the historian Kathleen Belew has written, there was a wave of militia and white supremacist violence in the bombing’s aftermath. But today, an often-inchoate movement of people who share many of McVeigh’s views is waging what increasingly looks like a low-level insurgency against the rest of us.

Not all mass shootings are ideologically motivated — far from it. But when there is an ideology involved, it’s usually a far-right one. “All the extremist-related murders in 2022 were committed by right-wing extremists of various kinds,” said a February report from the Anti-Defamation League. Sixty percent of these deaths came from two mass shootings, in Buffalo and Colorado Springs.

As you probably know by now, there was another mass shooting last weekend, at an outdoor mall in Allen, Texas. Though law enforcement has not identified a motive as of this writing, the killer reportedly wore a patch with the abbreviation for “right wing death squad,” a tribute to the Chilean fascist Augusto Pinochet that’s popular with groups like the Proud Boys. According to The New York Times, investigators are looking at a social media profile they believe belonged to the gunman, which includes praise for Hitler and “hate-filled rants against women and Black people.”

There was a time when a killing like this — which left at least eight victims dead, including more than one child — would have brought the news cycle to a halt and forced politicians to respond. When the white supremacist Dylann Roof murdered nine parishioners in a South Carolina church in 2015, it was so shocking that the governor at the time, Nikki Haley, removed the Confederate battle flag from the State House grounds.

But mass shootings are increasingly part of the background noise of life in a country coming apart at the seams. As far as I can tell, there’s little sense that this latest shooting is a watershed moment that could spur political change. Instead, it’s the kind of regular occurrence we are expected to live with, lest the right’s quest for unfettered gun access be interrupted.

The reason that America endures a level of gun violence unique among developed countries, and that we can often do little about it, is so many politicians have views on guns that aren’t far afield from McVeigh’s. As Representative Jamie Raskin, a Democrat from Maryland, has pointed out, it’s become common to hear Republicans echo McVeigh’s insurrectionary theory of the Second Amendment, which holds that Americans must be allowed to amass personal arsenals in case they need to overthrow the government. As the MAGA congresswoman Lauren Boebert once put it, the Second Amendment “has nothing to do with hunting, unless you’re talking about hunting tyrants.”

The Republican Party’s fetishization of guns and its fetishization of insurrection — one that’s reached a hysterical pitch since Donald Trump’s presidency — go hand in hand. Guns are at the center of a worldview in which the ability to launch an armed rebellion must always be held in reserve. And so in the wake of mass shootings, when the public is most likely to clamor for gun regulations, Republicans regularly shore up gun access instead. In April, following a school shooting in Nashville, Republicans expelled two young Black Democratic legislators who’d led a gun control protest at the Tennessee Capitol. A few days later, the State Senate passed a bill protecting the gun industry from lawsuits.

True, the killings in Allen led a committee in the Texas House to pass a bill raising the minimum age to buy an AR-15-style rifle to 21 from 18, but, as The Times reported, in the unlikely event it passes the full chamber “it would face almost certain rejection by the State Senate, where the hard-right lieutenant governor, Dan Patrick, holds powerful control.” Today’s Republican Party can scarcely tolerate anything getting between an eager buyer and a deadly weapon.

It’s hard to think of a historical precedent for a society allowing itself to be terrorized in the way we have. The normalization of both right-wing terrorism and periodic mass shootings by deranged loners is possible only because McVeigh’s views have been mainstreamed. “In the nearly 30 years since the Oklahoma City bombing, the country took an extraordinary journey — from nearly universal horror at the action of a right-wing extremist to wide embrace of a former president (also possibly a future president) who reflected the bomber’s values,” wrote Toobin.

As it happens, in the hours after the Oklahoma City bombing, before the authorities knew who McVeigh was, he was pulled over during a routine traffic stop and then arrested for carrying a gun without a permit. In 2019, however, Oklahoma legalized permitless carry. Under the new law, McVeigh would have been let go.

nyt
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2023 01:53 pm
What couldn't be accomplished by January 6th,
what couldn't be accomplished by 4 years of Trump,
what couldn't be accomplished by McConnell stacking the court,
what couldn't be accomplished by the right wing childish misfits in HoR,
what couldn't be accomplished by the insurrection,

Will now be accomplished by the weak, sniveling, coward republican lap dog McCarthy when he doesn't pass a legitimate Debt Ceiling bill. America may flop!
vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2023 04:19 pm
@BillW,
Am I missing something? Every party in the US has been increasing the debt ceiling for at least the last 20 years

It seems to me that the problem is irresponsible spending on the part of both parties over 2 decades. Why is one person is now bearing the brunt of this?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2023 04:44 pm
@vikorr,
Irresponsible spending or irresponsible taxation?
 

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