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@Mame,

He's likely referring to Ahmaud Arbery and Trayvon Martin - both murders he is a supporter of. He was also a supporter of taking an axe to (black) bird watcher Christian Cooper and burying him because he dared called (white) Amy Cooper on her bad behaviour and filmed her bad behaviour.

As for the McMichaels and Zimmerman, as the State has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, which is an exceedingly standard of proof to reach (before guilt can be found), the McMichaels were found guilty while Zimmerman wasn't found guilty.

But yes, oralloy does make blanket statements, and believes:
- blanket statements can apply to minorities (like "all BLM protestors are thugs", even though 93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful), but;
- blanket statements can't apply to whites (like talking about the Jan 6 rioters...he constantly complains that most were peaceful, even if 'rioters' only refers to those protestors who riot)
There is a very clear double standard going on.

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@vikorr,

You know, he's actually admitted he's never even seen the violent Jan 6 video, so how can he even comment on it? He can't say anything about it at all.

I'm white. If I joined a BLM protest, would that make me a thug in O's eyes?

And I'd like to know why he labels progressives as 'evil'? He needs to look that word up in the dictionary.

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@Mame,

For some people, dividing the world into (metaphorical) black & white is the only way they can deal with the world. As we get older, without an interruptor, our primary traits tend to get more extreme, so if (metaphorical) B&W is one of your primary traits, it will keep getting more and more extreme.

Human beings are capable of justifying anything to themselves, even utter idiocy, and if they really want to believe it, no one can convince them otherwise.

People who don't want to be slaves to their own minds look to keep challenging those 'mental habits', but most people are too unaware of their own mental habits to challenge them....so over time, they travel down a path of self-reinforcement (hence why, without interruptors, our primary traits get more extreme as we get older)

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@vikorr,

Sounds plausible and reasonable.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

He's likely referring to Ahmaud Arbery and Trayvon Martin - both murders he is a supporter of.

You refer to "self defense" as "murder" because you want to prevent white people from defending themselves when black people try to rape or murder them.

Shame on you for your vile racism.

vikorr wrote:

He was also a supporter of taking an axe to (black) bird watcher Christian Cooper and burying him because he dared called (white) Amy Cooper on her bad behaviour and filmed her bad behaviour.

You refer to "white people calling the police when a minority attacks them" as "bad behavior" because you want to prevent white people from receiving police aid when black people try to rape or murder them.

Shame on you for your vile racism.

vikorr wrote:

But yes, oralloy does make blanket statements, and believes:
- blanket statements can apply to minorities (like "all BLM protestors are thugs", even though 93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful), but;
- blanket statements can't apply to whites

I never said that blanket statements can't apply to whites.

But blanket statements only apply when they are true, regardless of skin color.

vikorr wrote:

like talking about the Jan 6 rioters...he constantly complains that most were peaceful, even if 'rioters' only refers to those protestors who riot

Progressives are referring to peaceful protesters as rioters.

vikorr wrote:

There is a very clear double standard going on.

Not on my end. Your anti-white racism is pretty awful however.

vikorr wrote:

For some people, dividing the world into (metaphorical) black & white is the only way they can deal with the world. As we get older, without an interruptor, our primary traits tend to get more extreme, so if (metaphorical) B&W is one of your primary traits, it will keep getting more and more extreme.

Or maybe some people do horrible things because they are horrible people.

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Mame wrote:

You know, he's actually admitted he's never even seen the violent Jan 6 video, so how can he even comment on it? He can't say anything about it at all.

What makes you think that I have any desire to talk about this video that you keep referring to???

You are the person who keeps talking about this video. I don't care about it at all.

Mame wrote:

I'm white. If I joined a BLM protest, would that make me a thug in O's eyes?

Yes.

Mame wrote:

And I'd like to know why he labels progressives as 'evil'?

It's because they do so many horrible things.

Mame wrote:

He needs to look that word up in the dictionary.

Not really. I am well aware of its meaning.

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@oralloy,

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You refer to "self defense" as "murder" because you want to prevent white people from defending themselves when black people try to rape or murder them.

None of these stories involve rape - this is your delusional mind making rubbish up to make it sound better in your own head (but only shows your delusions at work).

The trial proved the McMichaels were not acting in self-defense in court, so that too shows the delusions in your reply.

For Zimmerman, not-guilty does not = innocent, it equals "unable to prove beyond reasonable doubt' As far as I can see, he too hunted a person down because they were black. There is some leeway here.

No one tried to murder Amy Cooper, nor even made any threats to her person, so this too shows the delusion in your reply....even while you would be okay with her murdering Christian Cooper.

These stories all have two things in common:
1. the murdered person was black (or in the coopers case, you would support her if she killed the black party to that incident), and
2. you were okay with the murders (or would be okay with a murder in the Coopers case)
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However, as I said, I don't expect you to agree, and nor do I expect you to be rational about your responses.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

None of these stories involve rape - this is your delusional mind making rubbish up to make it sound better in your own head (but only shows your delusions at work).

I never said that any of them involved rape. You are lying about me in a futile attempt to hide from the truth.

The Zimmerman case involved a clear case of a black person trying to murder the captain of the neighborhood watch and being killed in a clear case of self defense.

vikorr wrote:

The trial proved the McMichaels were not acting in self-defense in court, so that too shows the delusions in your reply.

Even if your claim is true, that would not indicate any delusions on my part. Mr. Zimmerman clearly was acting in self defense, and you referred to him as well.

The McMichaels were trying to protect their neighborhood from someone who they suspected of being a criminal, which they have the right to do since you racists lynch white people for calling the police when they feel threatened by a black person.

vikorr wrote:

For Zimmerman, not-guilty does not = innocent, it equals "unable to prove beyond reasonable doubt' As far as I can see, he too hunted a person down because they were black. There is some leeway here.

You cannot point to any evidence whatsoever that Mr. Zimmerman did any such thing.

I, on the other hand, can point to evidence that Trayvon was trying to murder Mr. Zimmerman, and was gunned down in justified self defense.

The dispatchers advised Mr. Zimmerman that following Trayvon was a "very bad idea", and the location of the confrontation indicates that Mr. Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon upon receiving this advice. For the confrontation to have happened four minutes later, Trayvon had to have doubled back and assaulted Mr. Zimmerman.

vikorr wrote:

No one tried to murder Amy Cooper, nor even made any threats to her person, so this too shows the delusion in your reply

Another lie about me to try to dodge the truth. You know very well that the thug made a threat against her pet and then acted to carry out that threat.

And what matters here is whether she felt threatened, not whether she was threatened. People who feel threatened have the right to protect themselves from the perceived threat.

vikorr wrote:

....even while you would be okay with her murdering Christian Cooper.

You refer to "self defense" as "murder" because you want to prevent white people from defending themselves when black people try to rape or murder them.

Shame on you for your vile racism.

vikorr wrote:

These stories all have two things in common:
1. the murdered person was black (or in the coopers case, you would support her if she killed the black party to that incident), and
2. you were okay with the murders (or would be okay with a murder in the Coopers case)

Again, you refer to "self defense" as "murder" because you want to prevent white people from defending themselves when black people try to rape or murder them.

Shame on you for your vile racism.

vikorr wrote:

However, as I said, I don't expect you to agree, and nor do I expect you to be rational about your responses.

You know very well that I am always rational. This lie about me is another futile attempt to obfuscate.

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@oralloy,

Somehow, despite me quoting your words where you claimed attempted rape & murder as your justification for the murders of black people...when pointed out there was no attempted rape or murder by the black people.....you still managed to avoid your own words, which I quoted, and then talked yourself around in nonsensical circles.

As I said, human beings are able to justify any nonsense to themselves.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

Somehow, despite quoting your words where you claimed attempted rape & murder as your justification for the murders of black people

You refer to "self defense" as "murder" because you want to prevent white people from defending themselves when black people try to rape or murder them.

Shame on you for your vile racism.

Not to mention that fact that I never claimed rape as a justification for anything. Rape does justify self defense of course, but I made no claims about this in my post.

vikorr wrote:

...when pointed out there was no attempted rape or murder by the black people

Another lie on your part. Trayvon was trying to murder the captain of the neighborhood watch when he was justifiably killed in self defense.

vikorr wrote:

.....you still managed to avoid your own quoted words, and talk in circles around your nonsense.

Another lie on your part. I did not avoid anything.

I do not share the opinion that facts are nonsense. But then I'm not a racist progressive.

vikorr wrote:

As I said, human beings are able to justify any nonsense to themselves.

As above, I do not share the opinion that facts are nonsense.

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@oralloy,

Quote:

You refer to "self defense" as "murder" because you want to prevent white people from defending themselves when black people try to rape or murder them.

These are your words. It is you who claimed it was self defense from attempted rape or murder. Talk yourself around in circles all you want. This is quoted fact.

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@vikorr,

Is English not your first (or even second) language?

The "rape and murder" phrase at the end of my sentence is part of a comment about your racism. It does not refer to any of the cases of self defense that were being discussed.

Perhaps you should have an English teacher help you diagram the sentence.

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@oralloy,

Every conversation is about context. The context you replied to was that of Zimmerman, McMichael and Cooper. If you wish to recant your claim that the people they murdered were actually trying to rape & murder them, you are more than welcome to do so.

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@vikorr,

You refer to "self defense" as "murder" because you want to prevent white people from defending themselves when black people try to rape or murder them.

Shame on you for your vile racism.

I never made any claim that the people you mention (Travon, the jogger guy, or the birdwatcher thug) were trying to rape anyone.

The only claim of attempted murder that I made was regarding Trayvon's attempted murder of Mr. Zimmerman.

Since my claim is factually correct I will not recant it.

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@oralloy,

If you want to change your wording to 'white people are allowed to murder black people where any minor aggression is offered by the black people even if the white people initiated the aggression' that would probably fit those stories as well...and your MO.

If you notice that I don't bother replying to your other delusional nonsense, that's because that is exactly what I see it as, so there is no point replying to it.

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@vikorr,

With the possible exception of the jogger guy in Georgia, no aggression was initiated by any white people in these cases.

You refer to "self defense" as "murder" because you want to prevent white people from defending themselves when black people try to rape or murder them.

Shame on you for your vile racism.

I do not share your opinion that facts and reality are delusional nonsense. I do understand your inability to challenge facts and reality though.

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@oralloy,

right, this is now too delusional for me

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@vikorr,

As I already noted, I do not share your opinion that facts and reality are delusional.

As I also already noted, I do understand your inability to challenge facts and reality.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

right, this is now too delusional for me

Only now?

Oralloy has been off his tits at least as long as I've been here.

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@izzythepush,

All of my facts can be backed up with reputable cites. None of vikorr's facts can be backed up with a credible cite.

It's not my fault if you dislike reality.

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@izzythepush,

Sometimes how he thinks can be interesting in how black and white it can be, but in the last few years his ability to think outside of black and white has diminished, his racism has hardened, and his double standards have become more glaring.

Even so, conversations (for anyone) can start anew. Probably my delusion that I keep judging each conversation on its own merits.

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