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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2022 09:02 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
The term "well-regulated militia" means that the militia in question is capable of fighting effectively because they act as a single unit (as opposed to fighting as a bunch of random individuals with no coordination).

Sort of like all of the gears in a "well-regulated watch" work together in unison to provide accurate time readings.

While some amount of military regulations are necessary in order for a militia to achieve this level of coordination, the term "well-regulated" means a lot more than just military regulations.

Essentially the first half of the Second Amendment is a requirement that the government always keep the militia in top fighting shape.

The government is violating this requirement because, Constitutionally-speaking, the militia does not even exist currently.


For more on this, note the words of Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 29:

Alexander Hamilton wrote:
The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day or even a week that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions as often as might be necessary, to acquire the degree of perfection which would intitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labour of the country to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expence of the civil establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labour and industry to so considerable an extent would be unwise; and the experiment, if made, could not succeed, because it would not long be endured. Little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year.

But though the scheme of disciplining the whole nation must be abandoned as mischievous or impracticable; yet it is a matter of the utmost importance that a well digested plan should as soon as possible be adopted for the proper establishment of the militia. The attention of the government ought particularly to be directed to the formation of a select corps of moderate size upon such principles as will really fit it for service in case of need. By thus circumscribing the plan it will be possible to have an excellent body of well trained militia ready to take the field whenever the defence of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments; but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army; the best possible security against it, if it should exist.

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-04-02-0186
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2022 09:14 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
For more on this, note the words of Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 29:


I didn't notice any words of wisdom on how to stop mass shooters armed with a weapon equipped with over 300 rounds of ammunition to take out 20 school children or 50 partiers at night clubs and concerts in under a five minute span.

oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2022 09:15 pm
@neptuneblue,
Be armed. Shoot back.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2022 09:17 pm
@oralloy,
You're dead. You're not shooting anything.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2022 09:42 pm
@neptuneblue,
That is incorrect. I am still alive.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2022 09:46 pm
@oralloy,
True that.

Please explain how a six year old would be expected to shoot back.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2022 11:47 pm
@neptuneblue,
He wouldn't. That's why his teacher should keep a rifle in a gun safe in her classroom. So she can do it for him.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 01:59 pm
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/report/every-incident-of-mishandled-guns-in-schools/

Armed adults frequently mishandle their guns in schools. Keeping kids safe means keeping guns off K-12 campuses.

Our comprehensive analysis finds there have been nearly 100 publicly reported incidents of mishandled guns at schools in the last five years, including:

A teacher’s loaded gun falling from his waistband during a cartwheel.

A student grabbing an officer’s gun while the officer attempted to subdue the student.

A teacher unintentionally firing a gun in class during a safety demonstration.

For years, the gun lobby has pushed policies to arm teachers and allow other adults to carry guns on K-12 campuses. Arming teachers is an incredibly unpopular proposition, opposed by seven out of ten teenagers, eight out of ten teachers, and seven out of ten parents. And for good reason.

A study published in March 2019 found “no evidence that the presence of resource officers in schools lessened the severity of school shooting incidents.” And there is no evidence that armed teachers would be any more effective. In fact, a robust body of public health research strongly suggests armed teachers would not effectively deter violence. On the contrary, they would likely increase, rather than decrease, students’ exposure to gun violence in schools.

To catalog the risk guns in schools pose to student safety, we conducted a systematic review of publicly-reported incidents involving mishandled guns on school campuses. We analyzed data from the Gun Violence Archive since 2014 (when their records begin) and independently verified each incident.

Scroll through the comprehensive list, broken down into a few general categories, to see how guns brought onto campus—sometimes for the purpose of preventing violence—can actually increase risk.

GUNS LEFT ACCESSIBLE TO CHILDREN
Catherine Cook School | Chicago, Illinois
March 6, 2020—An off-duty police officer serving as a school security guard left a gun in a school bathroom where it was discovered by three young students. No shots fired. [Source]

Ingram Middle School | Ingram, Texas
January 16, 2020—A school resource officer left a firearm unintended in the bathroom, where it was found by a student. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Pleasant Grove Independent School District | Texarkana, Texas
December 5, 2019 — A school district employee’s firearm fell out of its holster onto a school bus seat. The firearm was later found by a student. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Whitney Middle School | Whitney, Texas
October 23, 2019 — A teacher left her gun unattended in a teacher’s workroom. The teacher served as a school guardian and was authorized to have a gun on campus. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Sims Academy of Innovation and Technology | Winder, Georgia
September 17, 2019 — A student found a gun and bullets inside an unattended purse on a school bus. Officers determined that the purse belonged to a school bus driver employed by the school district. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Whitney High School | Whitney, Texas
August 28, 2019 — A vice principal left her gun unattended in a restroom on campus. The vice principal served as a school guardian and was authorized to have a gun on campus. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Starkey Elementary School | Seminole, Florida
May 20, 2019 — A teacher was arrested for bringing a gun to school and keeping it in her bag. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Glenwood School | Princeton, West Virginia
March 28, 2019 — A substitute teacher was arrested after telling another staff member that he had a gun in his briefcase. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Highland Elementary School | Sparta, Ohio
Mid-March 2019 — The District Transportation Director left her pistol in a small unlocked plastic case near her desk when she went to the restroom. The director had been trained as part of the district’s concealed carry program and allowed to have a gun on school property. Two first-graders who were left alone in the office accessed the gun. [ Source ]

Van Horn High School | Independence, Missouri
February 28, 2019 — A school counselor was arrested after having sexual contact with a teen. In the process of her arrest, a loaded handgun was found in her purse. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Kingston High School | Kingston, Michigan
January 19, 2019 — A grandfather left a handgun at a high school during a basketball tournament. A woman found the gun on the floor of the bleachers. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Mustang High School | Mustang, Oklahoma
January 17, 2019 — A gun was found in an unattended bag in the media center of a high school. The bag belonged to an employee of the school. No shots fired. [ Source ]

AW Watson Elementary School | Port Gibson, Mississippi
January 16, 2019 — A gun was found in an elementary school bathroom. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Babylon High School | Babylon, New York
January 8, 2019 — A school resource officer and retired police officer left an unloaded, holstered weapon on the counter of a bathroom. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Central Middle School | Saint Louis, Missouri
October 24, 2018 — A gun brought to a middle school school by a teacher was stolen by two students. [ Source ]

Anona Elementary School | Largo, Florida
October 23, 2018 — A substitute elementary school teacher was helping children do cartwheels when a gun loaded with 19 rounds of ammunition fell out of his waistband. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Bartlett High School | Bartlett, Illinois
October 5, 2018 — A volunteer football coach was arrested after an unloaded gun fell out of his backpack during pre-game warm-ups. The suspect was charged with carrying a concealed weapon in a prohibited area. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Somerset Academy Bay Elementary and Middle School | Miami, Florida
October 5, 2018 — A school security guard left a gun in the bathroom. A 5th grade student found the gun and alerted teachers right away. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Unnamed elementary school | Missoula, Montana
September 18, 2018 — A school resource office left her duty weapon in the faculty bathroom at an elementary school. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Chaboya Middle School | San Jose, California
August 29, 2018 — A teacher was arrested at school for an alleged road rage incident that escalated into strong arm robbery when he forcibly took the victim’s cellphone. During the arrest, officers found a loaded handgun in the teacher’s bag. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Russell Byers Charter School | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
May 23, 2018 — A middle school teacher brought a gun to school in a bag, where it was discovered by a student. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Harmony Elementary School | Buford, Georgia
May 16, 2018 — A substitute teacher brought an unloaded gun to school in her purse, where it was seen by several students. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Perryville Career and Technology Center | Perryville, Missouri
March 23, 2018 — A substitute teacher for the Perry County School District left a gun in a vehicle, it was seen by students. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Shepherd Middle School | Shepherd, Michigan
March 12, 2018 — An off-duty police officer left a gun on school grounds, where it was found by a student. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Elliott Point Elementary | Fort Walton Beach, Florida
February 5, 2018 — A school resource officer left a loaded handgun in a school restroom. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Harmony Learning Center | Maplewood, Minnesota
February 5, 2018 — A child pulled the trigger of a gun in an officer’s holster while the officer was visiting his classroom. No injuries. [ Source ]

Hardin High School | Hardin, Montana
January 26, 2018 — A student brought a gun to school, which ended up in the possession of a teacher. The teacher hid the gun in her desk overnight. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Louisa County High School | Mineral, Virginia
January 12, 2018 — Automotive class students found a pistol in the trunk of their teacher’s car while servicing the vehicle as part of a class project. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Sacred Heart School | Glyndon, Maryland
October 30, 2017 — A staff member at a K–8 school left a gun in the restroom. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Hamilton High School | Chandler, Arizona
September 29, 2017 — An off-duty officer left a loaded gun in a high school bathroom, where it was found by a student. No shots fired. [ Source ]

United Brethren in Christ Academy | Holly Hill, Florida
May 3, 2017 — A volunteer at the K–12 school left a loaded gun in the bathroom, where it was found by a student. No shots fired. [ Source ]

School van | High Island, Texas
May 1, 2017 — A school superintendent left a loaded gun in a school van, which was found by a student when the van was used during an athletic event. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Shelton Elementary School | Dallas, Georgia
March 30, 2017 — An intoxicated kindergarten teacher came to school with a loaded pistol in her purse. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Ringgold High School | Monongahela, Pennsylvania
October 13, 2016 — A high school student found a security guard’s loaded gun in the bathroom. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Cumberland Valley Christian School | Chambersburg, Pennsylvania
August 25, 2016 — A teacher left a gun on the back of a toilet, where it was later found by a group of students ages six to eight. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Mount Carmel Elementary School | Douglasville, Georgia
May 18, 2015 — Police officers left a 22-caliber pistol loaded with blanks on the playground after a K9 demo, where it was later found by two elementary school students. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Varennes Academy of Communication and Technology | Anderson, South Carolina
May 11, 2015 — A 5th grade student took a security guard’s gun out of his holster and held it. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Hephzibah Middle School | Hephzibah, Georgia
April 27, 2015 — An 8th grade student stole an unloaded 38-caliber gun from an officer’s car in the school parking lot after the officer asked the student to retrieve another item. The gun was later found in the school cafeteria. No shots fired. [ Source ]

East Duplin High School | Beulaville, North Carolina
December 3, 2014 — Student found high school teacher’s loaded gun that was inadvertently left it in a laptop bag in a classroom. No shots fired. [ Source ]

GUNS DISCHARGED UNINTENTIONALLY
Lower Elementary School | Grove, Oklahoma
January 21, 2021—A parent waiting in the pick up line at school unintentionally shot himself while in his vehicle. [ Source ]

Pine View Elementary School | Rockwood, Tennessee
March 13, 2020—A school resource officer unintentionally discharged his firearm in his office at the school. No injuries. [ Source ]

Sagemont School | Weston, Florida
March 5, 2020—A school security guard unintentionally shot a school maintenance worker in the eye while showing him his gun in the school parking lot. [ Source ]

Three Fires Elementary School | Howell, Michigan
January 17, 2020 — A father unintentionally shot himself in the leg while waiting to pick up his child from school. [ Source ]

Picacho Middle School | Las Cruces, New Mexico
December 4, 2019 — A school resource officer unintentionally discharged his duty-issued handgun in his office at the school. A wall was struck, but no one was injured. [ Source ]

Saint Patrick Catholic School | Carlisle, Pennsylvania
August 19, 2019 — A parent unintentionally fired a gun in a parking lot during a back-to-school night for elementary school parents. The parent who fired the gun was treated in the hospital for injuries sustained from the gunshot. [ Source ]

Weightman Middle School | Wesley Chapel, Florida
April 30, 2019 — A school resource officer was leaning against a cafeteria wall when his agency-issued weapon fired around into the wall while still in the officer’s holster. No injuries. [ Source ]

Horn High School | Mesquite, Texas
April 18, 2019 — A Mesquite Police Officer assigned to a high school unintentionally discharged his handgun while inspecting it. No injuries. [ Source ]

Saint Josaphat Parish School | Milwaukee, Wisconsin
April 5, 2019 — A janitor’s gun unintentionally discharged. One student was bruised by falling debris caused by the bullet hitting a wall. [ Source ]

Blountsville Elementary | Blountsville, Alabama
March 22, 2019 — A substitute teacher unintentionally discharged a gun in a first grade classroom. One student was sent to the nurse’s office after being struck by a fragment. [ Source ]

Jefferson Davis Middle School | Jacksonville, Florida
February 14, 2019 — A false threat led to a brief lockdown at a middle school. While investigating the scene, an officer’s gun unintentionally discharged. No injuries. [ Source ]

Simonsdale Elementary School | Portsmouth, Virginia
November 20, 2018 — A parent brought a gun to an elementary school. The gun unintentionally fired, and the bullet ricocheted, striking a woman in her lower body. [ Source ]

Fowlerville High School | Fowlerville, Michigan
May 5, 2018 — An off-duty police officer’s gun unintentionally fired during his son’s wrestling tournament. No injuries. [ Source ]

Seaside High School | Seaside, California
March 13, 2018 — A teacher unintentionally fired a gun in class. One 17-year-old boy suffered moderate injuries when fragments from the bullet ricocheted off the ceiling and lodged into his neck. [ Source ]

North Broward Preparatory School | Coconut Creek, Florida
February 15, 2018 — A sheriff’s deputy shot himself in the leg when responding to a false alarm of shots on campus. [ Source ]

George Washington Middle School | Alexandria, Virginia
February 13, 2018 — A school resource officer unintentionally fired a gun inside a middle school. No injuries. [ Source ]

Bay City Western High School | Auburn, Michigan
November 11, 2016 — A sheriff’s deputy unintentionally discharged his gun while alone in a classroom. A teacher in an adjacent classroom was hit in the neck, though the bullet didn’t break the skin. [ Source ]

Patterson Elementary School | Panama City, Florida
May 6, 2016 — A corrections officer unintentionally discharged a weapon in a school parking lot while visiting for a job interview. No injuries. [ Source ]

Western Wayne High School | Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania
February 18, 2015 — A school police officer unintentionally discharged his gun inside a high school. The officer was suspended without pay. No injuries. [ Source ]

Westbrook Elementary School | Taylorsville, Utah
September 11, 2014 — A teacher placed a weapon on top of a toilet paper holder and the gun unintentionally discharged, hitting the toilet and injuring the teacher when fragments of the bullet and shattered toilet hit her leg. [ Source ]

GUNS MISHANDLED DURING DISCIPLINE
River Ridge High School | New Port Richey, Florida
December 17, 2019 — A school resource officer threatened to shoot a student trying to leave campus because the officer mistakenly believed the student was being truant. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Barcelona Elementary School | Albuquerque, New Mexico
December 20, 2018 — A school custodian chased six kids who he allegedly thought were trying to break into the school. The custodian pointed a gun at the kids and made threatening statements about shooting them. No shots fired. [ Source ]

ECHO AFL Academy for Learning | Dolton, Illinois
November 28, 2018 — A school security guard pulled a gun on a student after breaking up a fight at school. The guard also threatened to kill the student while holding them by the neck. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Oxford High School | Oxford, Michigan
October 3, 2017 — During a physical struggle between a student and an officer, the officer’s gun unintentionally discharged when the student tried to grab it. No injuries. [ Source ]

Henry David Thoreau School | Milwaukee, Wisconsin
September 15, 2016 — A 13-year-old girl became combative with officers during an investigation. An officer’s gun went off from inside the holster. The student suffered a graze wound. [ Source ]

Vereen School | Moultrie, Georgia
November 5, 2015 — An elementary school student being escorted out of a classroom reached into a deputy’s holster and pulled the trigger of a semiautomatic pistol. No injuries. [ Source ]

GUNS USED IN TIMES OF PERSONAL STRESS OR CONFLICT
Doherty High School | Worcester, Massachusetts
December 15, 2021 — A father went into a school carrying a firearm in search of another student who was having issues with his daughter. The father left before any confrontation with the student occurred, and no shots were fired. [Source]

Crofton High School | Gambrills, Maryland
December 6, 2021 — A parent took out a gun after getting into an altercation with a student in the school’s parking lot. No shots fired. [Source]

McNair Elementary School | Hazelwood, Missouri
September 14, 2021 — Two moms pulled out their guns during an argument outside of a Hazelwood elementary school during drop-off one morning. No shots fired. [Source]

Matthew Gilbert Middle School | Jacksonville, Florida
March 23, 2021—A mother used a gun to threaten three other parents during a confrontation in the school parking lot. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Veterans High School | Kathleen, Georgia
February 21, 2020 — Two adults dropping off students got into an argument over which one of them was supposed to “go ahead of the other,” leading one of the men to get out of his vehicle with the handgun. No shots fired. [ Source ]

School Bus | Berkeley, Missouri
February 12, 2020 — A father stormed onto a school bus with a loaded pistol and threatened the bus driver and several students. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Concordia Lutheran High School | Tomball, Texas
January 21, 2020 — A teacher brought a handgun to school and made threatening statements about his colleagues. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Lithia Springs High School | Lithia Springs, Georgia
January 7, 2020 — A mother threatened students with a gun at a basketball game after her children got into a fight with students from a rival school. The woman’s daughter allegedly used a Taser on another student during the altercation, but the mother’s gun was not fired. [ Source ]

Mill Creek Middle School| Woodstock, Georgia
November 6, 2019 — The mother of a middle school student was arrested after bringing a firearm on campus and fighting with school employees. No shots fired, but the school was locked down to protect students. [ Source ]

Blount Elementary School | Montgomery, Alabama
August 8, 2019 — Two dads got into an argument in front of the school. One father shot at the other and then ran inside the school to place a gun on the front counter. No injuries. [ Source ]

Westinghouse Academy | Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
May 23, 2019 — A teacher’s aide brought a gun to school after getting into a physical altercation with a student. The aide claimed that the student had threatened him and that he felt unsafe. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Aurora West College Preparatory Academy | Aurora, Colorado
April 3, 2019 — A school administrator was arrested after bringing a gun to school and using it to threaten other staff members. No injuries. [ Source ]

W.T. Chipman Middle School | Harrington, Delaware
December 5, 2018 — A middle school wrestling coach got into an argument with a 13-year-old student during practice. The coach tried to choke the victim, and pulled out a handgun and pointed it at the student in the restroom. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Eastern Technical High School | Essex, Maryland
November 12, 2018 — A school resource officer shot and killed himself at school when students were present. The school was placed on lockdown, but no students or other staff were harmed. [ Source ]

Norwalk High School | Norwalk, Connecticut
September 4, 2018 — A cafeteria worker was arrested after threatening to shoot a gun in the school. Officers discovered a.22 caliber rifle in the trunk of the cafeteria worker’s car. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Dalton High School | Dalton, Georgia
February 28, 2018 — A teacher barricaded himself in his empty classroom and fired a shot out of the window. No injuries. [ Source ]

Bayonne High School | Bayonne, New Jersey
November 30, 2017 — The head coach of an ice hockey team gained possession of an assistant coach/New Jersey State trooper’s gun and pointed it at two unknown individuals during practice. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Lithia Springs High School | Lithia Springs, Georgia
August 17, 2017 — A high school teacher was injured by a self-inflicted gunshot in a classroom. [ Source ]

Kirbyville High School | Kirbyville, Texas
May 24, 2017 — A principal resigned, walked out to his truck in the school’s parking lot, and shot himself in the head. [ Source ]

El Modena High School | Orange, California
April 23, 2017 — An assistant varsity football coach locked himself inside a classroom with a loaded firearm and threatened suicide in a 10-hour standoff with police. Students and adults evacuated. No shots fired. [ Source ]

OTHER INCIDENTS OF GUNS BROUGHT ONTO CAMPUS
East Nashville Magnet Middle School | Nashville, Tennessee
December 2, 2021 — A fight broke out on campus during dismissal time, and many parents entered the school. One mother asked her child to get her firearm out of the car and bring it to her inside the school. No shots fired. [Source]

Shive Elementary School | Rockwell, North Carolina
November 5, 2021 — A mother carried a gun on her hip while checking her child out of school. No threats made or shots fired. [Source]

Hazelwood Southeast Middle School | St. Louis, Missouri
October 26, 2021 — A parent exited their vehicle with a gun after seeing a fight between students during dismissal time. The gun was visible but was not brandished, and no shots were fired. [Source]

South Tattnall Middle School | Glennville, Georgia
September 23, 2021 — A middle school teacher was arrested after a student reported seeing him with a firearm in his waistband. Responding officers also discovered that the teacher was in possession of a vaporizer and a THC vaporizer cartridge. No shots fired. [Source]

Wayne Central Middle School | Ontario, New York
March 1, 2021—A school resource officer was shot in the foot after his firearm discharged while confronting a school custodian who was making threats with a knife. [ Source ]

W.T. Moore Elementary School | Tallahassee, Florida
December 9, 2019 — A parent had a loaded gun unsecured under the driver’s seat of his car as he waited to pick up his child. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Yankeetown Elementary School | Newburgh, Indiana
November 13, 2019 — A parent brought a gun and methamphetamine onto school property in his car. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Perkins Elementary School | St. Petersburg, Florida
September 13, 2019 — A parent brought a gun to school hidden under his shirt as he waited to pick up his child. A school resource officer called the police after noticing the gun. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Lakeside High School | Hot Springs, Arkansas
September 6, 2019 — A school employee self-reported having a gun on campus. Officers were not aware of any threats made by the employee, and no shots were fired. [ Source ]

Kent County High School | Worton, Maryland
September 4, 2019 — A school bus driver demonstrated concerning, erratic behaviors and brought a loaded handgun into the school in his pocket. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Cherry River Elementary School | Richwood, West Virginia
August 27, 2019 — A teacher brought a loaded Smith & Wesson.38 caliber revolver onto school property. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Riverside High School | Buffalo, New York
May 14, 2019 — A Buffalo Common Council Member brought a loaded gun to school while attending an event. The principal agreed to store the gun in his office, even though only sworn law enforcement officers are permitted to bring guns onto campuses. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Rancho Cucamonga High School | Rancho Cucamonga, California
May 7, 2019 — A teacher was placed on administrative leave after school administrators discovered that he kept a gun in the classroom. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Nandua High School | Onley, Virginia
March 27, 2019 — A substitute teacher was arrested for bringing a gun onto campus. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Southwest Edgecombe High School | Pinetops, North Carolina
March 18, 2019 — A school custodian was arrested for having a loaded gun in his car. Other staff members reported that he made threats against them. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Gray Collegiate Academy | West Columbia, South Carolina
February 14, 2019 — A contract employee with the school’s food service vendor was charged with carrying a gun on school grounds. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Lakeside Intermediate School | Hot Springs, Arizona
February 7, 2019 — A parent wore a holster in a middle school lunchroom, leaving his gun sitting in plain sight inside his car on school property. The parent is a convicted felon and is not permitted to be in possession of a firearm. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Olsen Middle School | Fort Lauderdale, Florida
August 15, 2018 — A security specialist at a middle school brought a gun to school in his car, and was later arrested after authorities received an anonymous tip that he had a firearm and was thought to be unstable. No shots fired. [ Source ]

School Bus | Lafayette, New York
November 8, 2017 — A student noticed the bus driver had a concealed handgun. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Sprague High School | Salem, Oregon
October 20, 2017 — Students reported that a teacher brought a gun to their high school campus. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Charles Town Middle School | Charles Town, West Virginia
April 4, 2017 — A student allegedly spotted a firearm inside a teacher’s vehicle. A loaded gun and a box of ammo were recovered from the car. No shots fired. [ Source ]

Baldwin Middle School | Jacksonville, Florida
December 1, 2016 — A middle school basketball coach brought a handgun to school, which he showed to his team during practice. No shots fired. [ Source ]

BOTTOM LINE: GUNS IN SCHOOLS WOULD INCREASE RISK, NOT SAFETY
In many of the incidents in our database, trained school resource officers and security guards mishandled or unintentionally fired their weapons. It is likely that these events would be even more common if teachers are armed and parents and other adults are allowed to bring firearms onto K-12 campuses.

The gun lobby would like to see more guns in schools. But the data is clear: More guns in schools means putting students in harm’s way.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 03:08 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

The Second Amendment calls for the good regulation of that militia.


Is that all it does?

Among other things, yes.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 03:47 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

oralloy wrote:
The term "well-regulated militia" means that the militia in question is capable of fighting effectively because they act as a single unit (as opposed to fighting as a bunch of random individuals with no coordination).

Sort of like all of the gears in a "well-regulated watch" work together in unison to provide accurate time readings.

Sure, that's what Hamilton was getting at when he wrote in The Federalist No. 29:
Quote:
It requires no skill in the science of war to discern that uniformity in the organization and discipline of the militia would be attended with the most beneficial effects, whenever they were called into service for the public defence. It would enable them to discharge the duties of the camp and of the field with mutual intelligence and concert; an advantage of peculiar moment in the operations of an army; And it would fit them much sooner to acquire the degree of proficiency in military functions, which would be essential to their usefulness. This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority.


oralloy wrote:

While some amount of military regulations are necessary in order for a militia to achieve this level of coordination, the term "well-regulated" means a lot more than just military regulations.

What more than just military regulations does it mean?

oralloy wrote:

Essentially the first half of the Second Amendment is a requirement that the government always keep the militia in top fighting shape.

The government is violating this requirement because, Constitutionally-speaking, the militia does not even exist currently.

Using The Federalist No. 29 in reference to the assertion that the government is violating a requirement that it always keep the militia in top fighting shape, the militia as it exists currently is just about the only feasible way to fulfill what Hamilton was getting at in what he wrote above, that this top fighting shape can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority; the government is not violating this requirement.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 04:07 pm
@McGentrix,
By the way,

InfraBlue
McGentrix wrote:
It goes back to the foundation of the US as a Republic of states under a restricted Federal government. The Constitution was a list of what powers the Federal government could and couldn't have.

The good regulation of the bearing of arms is written in the Constitution.

McGentrix wrote:
The ability to infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms was a very clear restriction that has been bastardized through the years.

How has it been bastardized?

McGentrix wrote:
The reason for that was the citizens of the US, as Madison points out, are the best-armed society in the world and the government is of the people, by the people, and for the people.

This doesn't address the fact that the Constituion calls for the good regulation of the bearing of arms, and Madison, in refers to this militia as "united and conducted by governments," in regard to the states themselves.

McGentrix wrote:
Now, the government is of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy. The rest of us are basically wage slaves and tax monkeys.

How is this relevant to the anti-regulation, bearing of arms free-for-all argument?
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 06:30 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
What more than just military regulations does it mean?

The first half of the Second Amendment is a requirement that the government always keep the organized militia in top fighting shape.


InfraBlue wrote:
Using The Federalist No. 29 in reference to the assertion that the government is violating a requirement that it always keep the militia in top fighting shape, the militia as it exists currently is just about the only feasible way to fulfill what Hamilton was getting at in what he wrote above, that this top fighting shape can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority; the government is not violating this requirement.

Constitutionally-speaking, today the organized militia does not exist at all.

That very much violates the requirement that the government always keep the organized militia in top fighting shape.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 06:32 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The good regulation of the bearing of arms is written in the Constitution.

That is a requirement that the government always keep the organized militia in top fighting shape.


InfraBlue wrote:
How has it been bastardized?

Well currently the organized militia does not even exist, Constitutionally-speaking at least.

And for a long time the courts have allowed the right to keep and bear arms to be wantonly violated. The courts are starting to crack down on those violations a little bit now though.


InfraBlue wrote:
This doesn't address the fact that the Constituion calls for the good regulation of the bearing of arms, and Madison, in refers to this militia as "united and conducted by governments," in regard to the states themselves.

True. "Ordinary people possessing arms" is a different subject from "the requirement that the government keep the organized militia in top fighting shape."

The Second Amendment has two halves.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2022 06:33 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Armed adults frequently mishandle their guns in schools. Keeping kids safe means keeping guns off K-12 campuses.
Our comprehensive analysis finds there have been nearly 100 publicly reported incidents of mishandled guns at schools in the last five years, including:
A teacher's loaded gun falling from his waistband during a cartwheel.
A student grabbing an officer's gun while the officer attempted to subdue the student.
A teacher unintentionally firing a gun in class during a safety demonstration.

None of those events would happen with my proposal for a rifle locked in a gun safe.


neptuneblue wrote:
For years, the gun lobby has pushed policies to arm teachers and allow other adults to carry guns on K-12 campuses. Arming teachers is an incredibly unpopular proposition, opposed by seven out of ten teenagers, eight out of ten teachers, and seven out of ten parents. And for good reason.

If you don't want to defend the kids, fine with me. But don't expect any sympathy from me when there are massacres. A black hole will have more sympathy to offer than I ever will.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 12:41 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

The Second Amendment has two halves.

Sure, a prefatory clause and operative clause. The uninfringible right to bear arms in regard to a well regulated militia.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 12:44 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The Second Amendment has two halves.

Sure, a prefatory clause and operative clause. The uninfringible right to bear arms in regard to a well regulated militia.



lol

The people, not the militia, although the people are part of the militia, women generally were not, but their right to keep and bear arms should also not be infringed.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 12:47 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

The people, not the militia, although the people are part of the militia, women generally were not, but their right to keep and bear arms should also not be infringed.

The people are referred to in regard to the militia; they are the militia.

Good regulation is within the bounds of the uninfringible right to bear arms as expressed in the Second Amendment.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 12:49 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

lol

The people, not the militia, although the people are part of the militia, women generally were not, but their right to keep and bear arms should also not be infringed.

The people are referred to in regard to the militia; they are the militia.

Good regulation is within the bounds of the uninfringible right to bear arms.


You can repeat it until the cows come home, but it still won't be true. It clearly states "the people", not "the militia". It's been explained many times but you seem unable to understand what words mean.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 01:13 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

lol

The people, not the militia, although the people are part of the militia, women generally were not, but their right to keep and bear arms should also not be infringed.

The people are referred to in regard to the militia; they are the militia.

Good regulation is within the bounds of the uninfringible right to bear arms.


You can repeat it until the cows come home, but it still won't be true. It clearly states "the people", not "the militia". It's been explained many times but you seem unable to understand what words mean.

Yours isn't the only interpretation of what the words mean.

The prefatory clause explains the reason for the operative clause; it cannot stand by itself, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,. . ."
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2022 05:07 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Yours isn't the only interpretation of what the words mean.

The prefatory clause explains the reason for the operative clause; it cannot stand by itself, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,. . ."


That's right. Because a well-regulated militia is necessary, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Not the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, but the right of the people.
 

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