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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:25 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:
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The only thing gun control achieves in those countries is the pointless abolition of freedom.

The NRA does not reinterpret anything. Only freedom-hating progressives try to reinterpret the Constitution.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:26 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:
Polling is clear: Americans want gun control

History is clear. America has had gun control since 1934.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:27 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:
The right to bear arms also refers to a well armed militia (before the US had a professional army), to protect against an England where the monarchy was far more influential than today's basically ceremonial role, and was instituted when guns took a minute to load. It's a lie that it's required now,

Nope. No lie. The Second Amendment still requires us to have a well-regulated militia.


Wilso wrote:
and has been bastardised far beyond its original purpose.

No it hasn't. It is being used exactly for its original intended purpose.


Wilso wrote:
They're now little more than dick replacements.

Nope. Wrong again. It's only progressives who lack penises.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:28 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:
How many of you gun owners ever stop and say a prayer of thanks to all those brave children who have sacrificed their lives for your right to own a gun?

No child has ever died for my rights.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:45 am
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:55 am
@Wilso,
You're the one who is only capable of stupid arguments.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:56 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The gun psychos control congress, so all we're left with is piecemeal legislation that hardly begins to well regulate the keeping and bearing of arms.

So in other words you don't know what well-regulated means.

A well-regulated militia is one that is a highly effective fighting force because they have trained sufficiently enough to fight as a single coherent unit instead of fighting as a bunch of random individuals.

It is like a well-regulated watch is one that keeps accurate time because all of the gears in the watch are in perfect sync with each other.


InfraBlue wrote:
We need to ban assault weapons, establish a national registry for gun ownership, restrict the manufacturing of guns, and restrict the total number of owned guns per individual.

No we don't. Three out of those four are unconstitutional, and the fourth is unacceptable.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:57 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
We already have over 20 million assault weapons on the streets of America.

No we don't. The number was capped at about 34,000. If that.


BillW wrote:
And, to make them is also a job that isn't terribly difficult.

True.

If you manage to get a second fact right in the same day you'll be as accurate as a broken clock.


BillW wrote:
So, pass the legislation to stop sales and start getting g them off the streets.

No. Unconstitutional.

Existing regulations are clearly sufficient to prevent any "assault weapon legally owned by civilians" from being used in a crime, because no such gun has ever been used in a crime.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:58 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
assault weapons should be banned for the good of the general welfare.

Nonsense. No assault weapon that is or was legally owned by civilians has ever been used to commit a crime.


InfraBlue wrote:
If the argument is to arm people with assault weapons to counter criminals with assault weapons, then it doesn't make sense from a defense argument, e.g. home defense. It would just exacerbate an already bad situation because of the ridiculously high powered rounds that these weapons deliver.

The rounds are not high powered in any way at all.


InfraBlue wrote:
The home defender would be just as likely as the criminal to shoot a bystander in the next room or next house. In that regard a shotgun is a much better weapon for home defense than an assault rifle.

Better yet an ordinary hunting rifle like the AR-15.


InfraBlue wrote:
Automatic weapons are already possessed by criminals who, by and large, use them against each other.

Such guns are already illegal.


InfraBlue wrote:
This reasoning doesn't address the fact that assault rifles are used by otherwise law abiding citizens who skip their chains and decide to go on mass shooting rampages.

Fake news. Never happened.

No assault weapon that is or was legally owned by civilians has ever been used to commit a crime.


InfraBlue wrote:
The biggest potential danger is that the present, otherwise law abiding assault weapon keeping psychos would use deadly violence in protest against the regulation.

Not much of a danger since the Supreme Court doesn't intend to actually let progressives violate our civil liberties.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 03:59 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:
they've certainly bastardised the US 2nd(?) amendment far beyond any semblance of its original intention,

No they haven't. They are upholding the original intention.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 04:06 am
This must be some sort of record. Reckon he must need to clean his screen by now.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 04:10 am
@Wilso,
Nope. My screen doesn't get dirty.

Does yours?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 04:11 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Look into why the 2ndA is there in the first place. it clearly refers to militias as arms of governments, not the individual right

Wrong. The Second Amendment says that the right to keep and bear arms is held by the people, not limited to members of an organized militia.


MontereyJack wrote:
that the gun zealot NRA and SCOttus twisted it into.

No such twisting. The original intent was always that the right to keep and bear arms be held by the people.


MontereyJack wrote:
Whole lot of ssensible law enforcement want fewer gun loonies on the streets,

It never fails that people who oppose civil liberties will invoke some variation of "sensible".
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 04:12 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
Personally, as it says there's to be no infringment at all on the ability to own or bear arms, I think people should be allowed to own ICBM's.......
...even if a person would otherwise be a 'school shooter'....or psychotic...or severely paranoid schizophrenic.
...if you support the literalness of the wording, then you would have to agree. Otherwise they got it wrong, or it is open to interpretation.

Nonsense. The right covers the sorts of weapons that individual militiamen would purchase for themselves and use to repel a foreign invasion.

An ICBM is neither of those.


vikorr wrote:
But...the right to bear arms is part of a sentence, with the primary qualifier being 'A well regulated militia'. Technically, according to the structure of English sentences - you would have to be part of the militia, and you would have to be well regulated, in order to have the right to own and bear arms.

Wrong again. The Second Amendment says that the right to keep and bear arms is held by the people, not limited to members of an organized militia.

And you clearly have no idea what well-regulated means.

A well-regulated militia is one that is a highly effective fighting force because they have trained sufficiently enough to fight as a single coherent unit instead of fighting as a bunch of random individuals.

It is like a well-regulated watch is one that keeps accurate time because all of the gears in the watch are in perfect sync with each other.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2022 04:14 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
The 2nd ammendment reads as a statement of logical progression (through the eyes of the people at the time it was written), introducing the Subject, the Reason, and the outcome. Structure of English, as follows:
A well regulated Militia
Subject introduced immediatedly - a well regulated militia
being necessary to the security of a free State
Reason introduced straight away for the well regulated militia
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The outcome (of the subject and the reason)
Ie. the outcome is bound to the subject, which is also bound to the reason.

Linking the militia to the right to keep and bear arms only means that we all have the right to have military weapons.

If you want to argue that we all have the right to have grenades, bazookas, and full-auto weapons, I will not complain.


vikorr wrote:
The right to bear arms doesn't exist outside of 'A well regulated militia'. This is obvious to anyone who doesn't have an agenda.

Wrong. The Second Amendment doesn't say that the right is limited to militiamen. It clearly says that the people have that right.

But thanks for helping to create the modern militia movement, which started in reaction to people like you saying that only militiamen have rights.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2022 04:38 pm
@oralloy,
I'd have to say that I agree with none of your arguments, which don't properly address why the sentence starts with 'a well regulated militia'.

As for it starting a militia movement (presumably well regulated) - why would I care? My comments here were aimed at people who were interpreting English based on an agenda, who: ignored the first part of the sentence; and/or couldn't explain the purpose of first part of a sentence; and/or couldn't explain the relationship between the first and last parts of the sentence; but wanted to focus solely on the end of a sentence; then claimed they were unarguably correct.

As I mentioned it is a sentence of progression, being : subject, reason, outcome. And all of it is related (as everything within a sentence is, unless a contradiction is introduced by words like 'but'). So the outcome does not exist outside of the subject, and the subject, arguably, not outside of the reason.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2022 06:22 pm
Four-Year-Old Shoots At Officers In Utah
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2022 10:26 pm
@hightor,
the dad admitted this was not the first time the kid got a hold of his gun. gun crazies are clearly not the smartest banana in the bunch.
NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2022 03:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
Neither are progressives or Biden who is a puppet of progressives.
We are already having our First Amendment rights violated.
 

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