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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 14 May, 2022 05:54 pm

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2022 08:31 am
From my Shaun King thread:

3. We must demand to see the actual budgets and staffing from local and state governments and the federal government in their fight against white supremacy. ⁣

We pay these taxes. ⁣
Those budgets are our money.⁣

We can no longer take their word for it when they say they are fighting and tracking white supremacy. ⁣

THEY ARE LYING.⁣

We need to see PRECISELY how much money and staffing is spent on this compared to everything else. ⁣

SHOW US. Not generically. ⁣
We want to see the line items and the staff positions and names on the budget or we don’t believe you. ⁣

This is for Biden on down to your governor and mayor and police department. ⁣

Budgets show priorities. They are moral documents.⁣

Prove it to me that this matters IN THE GOT DAMN BUDGET.⁣

4. Show us the comprehensive plan to investigate and battle and confront white supremacy. ⁣

We don’t believe you have a plan. You are winging it. ⁣

And let us at the table to make these plans. ⁣

Again from your Mayor to your police chief to your governor to your city council to your school system to the DOJ to the White House.⁣

Show us the plan. ⁣
And then we want to be at the table to tear up your plans and build them better and stronger.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2022 11:59 am
Michael Cavolina
Watching sadly the Tops Market story. Two issues come to mind.
The first is words, especially words that cause violence, have consequences, and should be punished accordingly. Tucker Carlson has been a vocal advocate of this and as such bears responsibility.
Second, how does an 18-year-old buy body armor and tactical gear without an alarm going off and where does an 18-year-old get an AR-15?
It is way past the time for our politicians to start to address our needs and not the whims of the monied corporations.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2022 04:39 pm

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Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2022 05:40 pm
In the US, it’s now easier to get an assault rifle than an abortion. If you can’t see that your nation is sliding towards anarchy, then you’re just not paying attention. Without action the nation that presents itself to world as great the bastion of freedom and democracy is going to fail. From the outside, it looks irretrievable.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2022 07:39 pm
@Wilso,
Ya ought to see it from the inside.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2022 09:23 pm
@edgarblythe,
How many guns sold in America are actually manufactured in China?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2022 11:28 am
How the Supreme Court could soon drastically expand the right to carry guns
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The conservative majority on the Supreme Court is potentially poised to take down one of the nation’s oldest and most restrictive gun-control laws this summer. New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen will be the court’s first major Second Amendment case in more than a decade, and happens to be coming amid rising national gun violence and an uptick in gun sales in recent years. What the justices decide could unravel laws across the nation restricting who can carry guns in public.

Here’s what’s happening.

The case: Can New York place severe restrictions on who can carry a gun in public?

For 108 years, New York has said that anyone who wants to carry a gun in public must apply for a license, and he or she must be at least 21, have no criminal record, have “good moral character” and — this is the part really being challenged — a demonstrated need to carry the gun beyond average public safety fears. This is known as “proper cause.”

Two men from upstate New York challenged the state’s law when they applied to carry a gun at all times but only received allowances for hunting, or to and from work. They sued, arguing the strict law violated their Second Amendment rights to “keep and bear arms.”

Even though the law has been on the books for so long, it’s at risk of being knocked down now by a newly cemented conservative Supreme Court majority. And depending on how widely the justices rule, they could knock down other state laws like it.

What supporters of New York’s law say about its constitutionality: Mostly liberal states like California, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Connecticut and New Jersey have similar public carry restrictions, and so do several big cities.

Supporters of these laws argue that they’re necessary in high-density areas, and that the Constitution allows states to govern themselves. “A road-rage incident on the New Jersey Turnpike can quickly become violent,” writes New Jersey state solicitor Jeremy Feigenbaum in Scotusblog. “A fight in Times Square can turn lethal.”

Supporters also argue that such restrictions have been around for centuries, underscoring the value society has placed on public safety over gun rights in public places. “It’s not a thing we just came up with yesterday,” said Esther Sanchez-Gomez, a senior attorney with Giffords, an organization which supports gun-control legislation. “So it’s shocking that we are now talking about the idea that people somehow might be safer if our public spaces were filled with guns.”

The Biden administration weighed in too. The Department of Justice wrote in a brief for the court that “the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms, but that right is not absolute.”

What opponents of New York’s law say: Critics say requiring people to justify why they need to carry a gun in public puts a burden specifically on the Second Amendment’s right to “bear” arms. Challengers to the law told the Supreme Court that a person should not have to show a “special need” to exercise a constitutional right.

Under questioning from conservative Supreme Court justices, New York officials acknowledged that a doorman or nurse working late-night hours and commuting home in a high-crime neighborhood cannot receive permission to carry a gun for those reasons alone.

“Why,” asked Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh, “isn’t it good enough to say I live in a violent area and I want to be able to defend myself?”

This case has mixed up traditional political lines on guns. Several Republican lawyers filed a brief supporting laws like New York’s, arguing that specifically in Washington, D.C., public carry restrictions “may well have prevented a massacre” at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

A group of public defenders in New York City argue that the law disproportionately affects the constitutional rights of Black and Latino New Yorkers. They also said many of their clients arrested for having unlicensed firearms in New York City said carrying them made them feel safer after they, or their friends and families, experienced attacks in the city.

How this case could impact gun laws across the nation: The Supreme Court hasn’t weighed in recently on whether the Second Amendment protects carrying guns outside the home. In 2008’s District of Columbia v. Heller, the court said the Second Amendment protects the right to own a gun for self-defense in the home, and in McDonald v. Chicago in 2010, made clear that state and local gun control measures (and not just federal ones) also must respect that right.

If they rule that New York’s restrictions on carrying a gun in public are unconstitutional, then “across the country, there will be lots of laws that will be invalidated right away,” said Jerold Levine, a New York City lawyer who focuses on gun cases and supports the challenge to this law.

He said it’s likely the court will still allow states and municipalities to deny people licenses to carry guns — “there’s no need to worry that murderers will be getting licenses,” he said — but people won’t have to provide a justification for their application.

Levine called this potential change the “holy grail” of gun rights: “This has been the greatest limitation for gun owners now for over 100 years.”

Sanchez-Gomez said the worst-case scenario for gun-control supporters is in play in this case: It’s possible that the court decides there is a fundamental right to carry guns in public spaces and that there isn’t much governments can do to restrict that.

“As a nation we have a collective trauma about gun violence,” she said. " ... You worry you go to a grocery store and someone night show up with a gun. You worry you are waiting to take a subway to work in the morning and someone is going to show up with a gun."

New York City officials fear that the Supreme Court could force the state to allow more people to carry more guns in public places. Gun violence there has doubled in recent years, from their historic lows in the years before the pandemic. “In a densely populated community like New York, this ruling could have a major impact on us,” New York City mayor Eric Adams (D), a former police captain, said.

There could be a compromise, or a narrow ruling: During oral arguments in this case last fall, conservative justices seemed particularly interested in how New York City could prohibit guns in what the Supreme Court has called “sensitive places” — such schools, stadiums or Times Square.

Or the justices could rule that the law was unconstitutional only as applied in this specific instance, rather than make a sweeping statement about the right to carry a gun in public. But few expect such a narrow ruling. “More likely,” said Sanchez-Gomez, “I expect that the ruling will have broader implications.”
revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2022 06:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I wonder how Robert's stance on state rights will stand up with this case?
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2022 04:30 am

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PoliteMight
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2022 10:52 pm
@msolga,
I blame the method of thinking. In fact I wish we had a law where a person getting any weapon would undergo an psycho-evaluation ( whatever it is called ) like how ex-military comes home.

I see in college tons of ex and current military and so many of them have issues.
Drinking from the backpack ( like if they are in the desert ), back up against the wall with their hands clinching a gun, talking about being careful not to shoot anybody while being a police-officer despite being trained as a tech support.

I blame the person holding the gun not the gun itself.
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Too many r-tards gets a gun and then use it for selfish means.

The sad part we have shooting champions at age nine. So why is it that so many morons go lunar mad ???



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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2022 05:37 pm
Another one. 14 kids sacrificed on the altar of "freedom". Another bad guy with a gun not stopped by a good guy with a gun.
America, you are [email protected] The rest of the free world is grateful we don't share your ideals of freedom.
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2022 07:00 pm
@Wilso,
Repubs will just blow this one off. Uvalde, TX is a town of less than 20% white population and the killer was Hispanic. That means this action just doesn't count. Just move along now, nothing to see here. We got a great NRA Convention this weekend and don't need any inconsequential thing to interfere with it.....
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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2022 07:30 pm
In the past 10 days, two 18-year-olds have murdered 25 people.

More children have been killed in America in the last 6 months than by the Russian invasion of the Ukraine...a legitimate f*cking war.

Maybe it's not just about the guns, but about the final collapse of a broken society.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2022 08:16 pm
Yeah, let the zygote live, but who cares about kids being gunned down, right?
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2022 08:58 pm
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:

More children have been killed in America in the last 6 months than by the Russian invasion of the Ukraine...a legitimate f*cking war.

These last two actions in the USA are bad, bad, bad. But that statement is not true. Russia has been targeting children from the very start of their "war". In fact, their first operation was a false flag operation on a elementary school that they tried to say the Ukrainians conducted on a Russian speaking school. They continued to send artillery attacks on schools and continue to attack non military targets. They also would give civilians safe passage if they went to Russia, but would kill them if they only wanted to stay in the Ukraine. This included children!

To call this war legitimate on the part of the Russians is a stretch at best. Russia is guilty of many irregularities.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2022 10:33 pm
The use of “legitimate “ was not meant to express legality (my poor vocabulary). Would “real” be a better word?
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2022 11:05 pm
@Wilso,
How about - "real genocide"?
Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2022 11:10 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

How about - "real genocide"?


Whatever works. I’m not condoning it in any way. Just observing that US streets resemble a war zone
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2022 11:15 pm
This act of bloodshed is shocking, but hardly surprising: in the country of politically tolerated massacres, even young students are no longer safe.

Thursday would have been the end of the school year at Robb Elementary School, but the graduation ceremonies have now been cancelled.
Coincidentally, the annual convention and gun show of the NRA begins on the same day - in Houston, Texas. Among the keynote speakers: Senator Cruz and Governor Abbott.
 

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