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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 05:05 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
I have done so repeatedly and you know it. Don't you be silly. Snood has too. Easiest thing in the world.

That's a lie. Neither of you have ever done any such thing.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 05:06 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
We have a winner!
Bravo

No. All we have is hypocritical progressives falsely accusing others of their own delusions.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 06:52 am
@oralloy,
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It's clear that he is talking about protection from criminals.

With all the concerns which require "protection" why make protection from "criminals" a priority? The member hasn't provided statistics on the rate of home break-ins in his neighborhood — I'm just suggesting that there are other real concerns which might take priority
Quote:

Probably because of all the progressives who are trying to do away with law enforcement.

Actually, liberals want to make sure laws which promote social justice and more effective community policing are enforced and strengthened if needed. By relieving police from having to do administrative work among non-violent populations and farming those tasks out to real social workers, liberals will free up police departments to concentrate on real crime.
Quote:

In this case it means keeping them safe from criminals.

No it doesn't. It means fooling himself into believing that he'll know what to do in occasions with which he has no prior experience other than what he observes on TV shows. There are other ways of protecting your family and yourself that don't rely on potential injury and death, ways that don't involve keeping lethal weapons. They may not be as fashionable as having access to an assault-styled rifle but they are more effective and rely on useful skills that can be employed in many more situations.
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It is advisable to also keep a loaded handgun directly on your person in case you cannot reach your gun safe.

For christ's sake, if I were that damn paranoid I'd move.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 06:53 am
@oralloy,
No, it's your utterly irrelevsant "just as dead" de;lusion. the rellevant tterm is "dead by gun violence" again and again and again and again.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 06:57 am
@oralloy,
do try to stop posting nonsense.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 07:13 am
@MontereyJack,
I saw a comment recently where someone said that yes, he'd support a ban on any device which could direct dozens of knives at a target in less than a minute.
revelette3
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 10:30 am
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Mass Shootings and Our Depraved Political Stagnation

Another mass shooting. Another round of recriminations. Another push for more gun control. Another pushback from Republicans in Congress doing the bidding of the gun lobby. Another reminder of the unlikelihood of any real federal legislative change.

As incessant as mass shootings have become in this country, so has the ritual in their wake to respond to them, a ritual that ultimately, inevitably unravels.

I hate to sound defeatist, but I feel defeated.

Yes, there are common-sense gun safety advocates who are making some headway, particularly on the state and local levels. But comprehensive federal gun legislation remains elusive, if not impossible.

Our anomalous gun culture and the shocking number of gun deaths and the prevalence of guns — including military-style weapons — in our society simply don’t seem to convince enough politicians to take action.

Nor are the tens of thousands of Americans we lose to guns each year enough to inspire action. We have, on some level, simply absorbed that abominable number of deaths as normal, or perhaps collateral damage, in a society with a gun culture like ours.

We know that we could do more to prevent these mass shootings and to reduce the number of people killed during them. But many politicians won’t budge and the people who elect them won’t hold them accountable for their intransigence.

These voters say to us, I hear you — or I choose not to hear you — and I agree with some of what you are saying. But for me, this issue does not supersede others like preventing abortions, lowering taxes, so-called religious freedoms and the right to discriminate against people who are L.G.B.T.

Data be damned.

I no longer know how to change this attitude or if it can be changed by the recitation of facts. There is no new surprising bit of information that, once published, could change the parameters of this debate. The people resisting change know these facts as well as those pushing for change do. So, nothing changes.

We are, sadly, growing numb to the numbers. The parade of pain and grief of those left behind has become custom.

This is not a condemnation of those who strive to make change and a better society. This is a condemnation of that part of America that stands in the way.

America is awash in blood and bullets and its leaders, Republicans for the most part, are bereft of the political courage and moral clarity to help.

They have adopted the gun lobby’s “slippery slope” positioning: That any new restrictions on gun ownership and usage open the door to more, inevitably leading to gun banning, gun registries and gun confiscations.

This extreme, existential position forces many progressives to repeat the idea that “no one is talking about taking anyone’s guns away.”

But, in truth, I must say that I want a society in which there are fewer guns sold and fewer guns in circulation. I want a society in which the ownership by individual citizens of weapons of war would be illegal. I want a society where gun ownership is highly regulated and where guns are required to be registered and insured. I want a society in which so-called “smart guns” are heavily promoted among those who buy guns, so that those guns can’t be used by people who aren’t the owners.

I want more gun regulation, severe gun regulation, the kind that most elected Democrats dare not speak of, the kind that scares the gun cult. I am honest about my desires and motivations, even if they confirm the gun lobby’s fears.

I know that it is not likely that I will ever see the kinds of gun restrictions that I want, but there are more modest gun restrictions upon which most of America agrees and we can’t even seem to achieve those.

How can this be? How can bullets rip through this many bodies and the federal legislative response amount to “thought and prayers?” How can the response still be that “guns don’t kill people, criminals kill people?” How can the conservative solution continue to be “more good guys with guns?”

It is true that the vast majority of guns in this country belong to law-abiding citizens and will never be involved in a crime. But when a society has as many guns as ours does and guns are so easy to get, it only takes a tiny percentage to produce carnage.

It seems to me that to institute restrictions that might also limit access to people who aren’t criminals might be a reasonable sacrifice if those restrictions might mean that fewer people are killed.

The mass shootings in our society are not normal, nor are they inevitable. They are the outgrowth of inaction, cowardice and greed. They are the result of the callous policy of the gun lobby and the politicians kissing up to them. They are the result of a depraved political stagnation.


nyt

I see little need to comment, I agree with everything above in which Charles Blow wrote. He's becoming my favorite opinion columnist. I agree there is no talking to the gun cult, I don't care how many people die in a single shooting or how often it happens. The following in a article on the shameful uselessness of the gun debate written in 2015.

If Sandy Hook didn't change gun laws, nothing will
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 10:39 am
Well, I got my shot. Turns out they were doing Moderna, so that's what I got. I don't know why the state vaccine tracker website said that the clinic was receiving shipments of Pfizer.

It kind of makes sense though that we wouldn't be seeing Pfizer out here in the hinterlands. I was surprised when the vaccine tracker website said that that's what they were getting.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 06:31 pm
@oralloy,
Then refer to it ad nauseam.
BillW
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 07:25 pm
This thread is 10 days shy of 12 years old:

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Guns: how much longer will it take ....
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 10:38 pm
@BillW,
Biden is supposed to be working on executive orders for some gun control, one way to thwart the gun lokbby murserous roadblockers,
BillW
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 10:41 pm
@MontereyJack,
MJ, trouble with executive orders is they are not law and will only survive consecutive Dem Presidents. At least that's good! Also, with SCOTUS as is, the orders have to fairly straight and narrow to survive.
BillW
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 10:48 pm
@BillW,
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

But add-ons by states has made this "Right" into a Frankenstein law.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2021 11:15 pm
@BillW,
srricter gun control is backed by a substantial majorityo of americans, which is one reason SCOTUS has trodden lightly s not tried the jackboot a[[rpach on it. Trump packed the court with right wingers, but so far they seem to be waiting a concensus to develop and have let state bans on assault style weapons stand. so go, joe. exec order the hell out of them.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2021 05:07 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
do try to stop posting nonsense.

No nonsense. Just a couple of progressive phonies who never back up anything they say.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2021 05:08 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Then refer to it ad nauseam.

No.

I've already replied to it. There is no reason for me to go back and reply to it again.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2021 05:09 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
But add-ons by states has made this "Right" into a Frankenstein law.

No such addons.


BillW wrote:
this "Right"

I wonder what progressives hate more, American freedom or the Constitution itself?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2021 05:10 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
With all the concerns which require "protection" why make protection from "criminals" a priority? The member hasn't provided statistics on the rate of home break-ins in his neighborhood -- I'm just suggesting that there are other real concerns which might take priority

"Priority" suggests that protection from criminals comes at the expense of doing other things.

Having adequate protection does not mean that he cannot do other things as well.


hightor wrote:
Actually, liberals want to make sure laws which promote social justice and more effective community policing are enforced and strengthened if needed. By relieving police from having to do administrative work among non-violent populations and farming those tasks out to real social workers, liberals will free up police departments to concentrate on real crime.

Progressives are not liberals and do not deserve to be called liberals.

There are plenty of progressives who support the BLM goal of preventing the police from interfering when black people rape and murder white people.


hightor wrote:
No it doesn't. It means fooling himself into believing that he'll know what to do in occasions with which he has no prior experience other than what he observes on TV shows.

Firing on criminals is not all that difficult.


hightor wrote:
There are other ways of protecting your family and yourself that don't rely on potential injury and death, ways that don't involve keeping lethal weapons. They may not be as fashionable as having access to an assault-styled rifle but they are more effective and rely on useful skills that can be employed in many more situations.

Non-lethal and less-lethal weapons are interesting, but they have a long way to go before they displace lethal weapons.


hightor wrote:
For christ's sake, if I were that damn paranoid I'd move.

I'm not paranoid.

Location is irrelevant. Carrying a loaded handgun on your person is appropriate in all locations. You can't always be right next to your gun safe.
BillW
 
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Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2021 06:07 am
@MontereyJack,
I hope.so!
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2021 12:54 pm
@BillW,
Your hope is in vain. Nothing awaits you but utter defeat.

But that's OK, because you've chosen to side with evil and deserve to be defeated.
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