Guns: how much longer will it take ....

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You are ducking my question.

That was not my intention.

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Assume illegals are not being deported.
Should sellers be free to sell guns to an illegal Saudi?

I take it that u r asking my personal opinion, rather than my opinion of what the law is,
and I will answer on that basis, knowing that u will correct me, if I have misunderstood.
In my opinion, illegal aliens shoud have no constitutional rights.
The Constitution was not written for the benefit of illegal aliens.
However, the 2A protects a NATURAL RIGHT which is much older
than the Constitution. Merchants shoud not be held responsible
for checking anyone 's citizenship.

I 'd like to say that the illegal aliens shoud be deported,
but u told me not to say that.

I don 't have strong feelings on this particular point
about armament of illegal aliens. While thay r here,
thay have as much need for defensive guns as anyone,
in that thay have as much chance of becoming victims
of the predatory violence of man or beast. Thay have
as much right to buy American guns as American food
and buy both for the same reason: to remain alive.



David

oralloy wrote:

Actually America is the only free country on the planet

hopefully comrade obama can soon rectify that position

hail the revolution

oralloy wrote:

Ceili wrote:

Freedom. It's a funny word. Means different things to different people, in different places. The freest country I've ever been in was India, but I digress.

Actually America is the only free country on the planet. Other countries either never had the right to have guns, or they repealed the right.

This is a case of American arrogance, I'm going to hazzard a guess and guess you don't travel much

oralloy wrote:

Ceili wrote:

How does registering your gun differ from any of the above, and how does it affect your freedom?

Gun registration is used as a tool to violate our right to have guns.

When the government decides to go violate people's right to have guns, they use registration lists to find gun owners.

Yup, the government can find you. Hurray. I guess you're not so free after all.

oralloy wrote:

Ceili wrote:

but maybe if she'd had a better lock or door, maybe a security system, nobody would have gotten shot, dead or hurt.

How exactly would that have prevented her from being attacked in a public place?

In the example given by David, the victim and her family were attcked while their were sleeping in their beds, I wouldn't imagine this was a public place.

oralloy wrote:

Ceili wrote:

I can't be bothered to go over the minutiae in all my posts. It bores me, however dissect the post if you must. It won't change my mind.
I don't like guns - that ain't gunna change.

So there is no point in showing that you are factually incorrect?

What facts have I been wrong about, what facts have you presented. So far, there have been a lot of opinions, very little concrete info.

Oralloy wrote:

Actually America is the only free country on the planet.

I can't even imagine a sensible person would utter such uninformed, to say the least, statement..

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Ceili wrote:

Life is the issue. Guns have a terrible tendency to end it.

It is not "terrible" when the life ended is that of the aggressor, who is ended by his victim,
altho different victims can be affected differently.
It is a matter of their personal psychology.

So at a moments notice, you become judge and jury. You can take the life of another, regardless of whether or not your perception could be wrong. Lets face it, most people are killed by friends or family. Maybe then you can judge the offender. I don't ever want that power, and since I don't know anybody who has every been attacked or shot at by a stranger... I'm not sure I want to spend my life, before or after, thinking about a life I've taken. Sorry, about the opinion, but I'm entitled. Just as you are.

I 've heard that Switzerland is also a free country.





David

wait until he opens relations with cuba, and the red hordes march across the border

patrick swayze's dead, the wolverines aren't gonna save you this time

rent Red Dawn, one of the best worst movies of the 80's

I 've heard that Switzerland is also a free country.





David

They are allowed to have guns. But they don't actually have any RIGHT to have guns.
They just have guns at because their government deigns to allow them to.

Were they truly free they would actually have the right to have guns,
whether the government liked it or not.

(Also, while many Swiss have automatic rifles in the home,
the odds of getting a CCW permit there is practically zero.
And there is no open carry there either.)

Francis wrote:

Oralloy wrote:

Actually America is the only free country on the planet.

I can't even imagine a sensible person would utter such uninformed, to say the least, statement..

Hardly uninformed. Name another country where people have the right to carry guns.

djjd62 wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Actually America is the only free country on the planet

hopefully comrade obama can soon rectify that position

hail the revolution

Obama came into office hoping to extinguish our freedom,
but Pelosi kicked him in the nuts and told him to keep his grubby hands off our Constitution.

Plus the Supreme Court would never stand for it.

Advocate wrote:

Oh, you had not heard that guns are more dangerous than other weapons?

This is just simply FALSE.

For example, people are much more likely to survive a gun shot wound than they are a knife wound.

Oralloy wrote:

(Also, while many Swiss have automatic rifles in the home,
the odds of getting a CCW permit there is practically zero.
And there is no open carry there either.)

I did not know that things were so bad.

oralloy wrote:

Francis wrote:

Oralloy wrote:

Actually America is the only free country on the planet.

I can't even imagine a sensible person would utter such uninformed, to say the least, statement..

Hardly uninformed. Name another country where people have the right to carry guns.

I don 't know if it is true,
but I heard that in Arabia, the citizens have that right.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Francis wrote:

Oralloy wrote:

Actually America is the only free country on the planet.

I can't even imagine a sensible person would utter such uninformed, to say the least, statement..

Hardly uninformed. Name another country where people have the right to carry guns.

I don 't know if it is true,
but I heard that in Arabia, the citizens have that right.

"Have the right"
or "allowed to have guns because the government feels like allowing it"?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Oralloy wrote:

(Also, while many Swiss have automatic rifles in the home,
the odds of getting a CCW permit there is practically zero.
And there is no open carry there either.)

I did not know that things were so bad.

I'm not sure if they are bad exactly. You may not have the right to carry a gun around with you all the time, but all the Swiss Militiamen have full auto weapons in their homes.

And anyone not in the militia can keep semi-auto weapons in their home for defense. I don't think they allow assault weapons, but there are plenty of pump and semi-auto shotguns, semi-auto rifles, and semi-auto pistols that are allowed for home defense.

When I said no open carry, I meant just carrying in public in general. Hunters are allowed to carry their hunting weapons while out hunting.

oralloy wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Oralloy wrote:

(Also, while many Swiss have automatic rifles in the home,
the odds of getting a CCW permit there is practically zero.
And there is no open carry there either.)

I did not know that things were so bad.

I'm not sure if they are bad exactly. You may not have the right to carry a gun around with you all the time, but all the Swiss Militiamen have full auto weapons in their homes.

And anyone not in the militia can keep semi-auto weapons in their home for defense. I don't think they allow assault weapons, but there are plenty of pump and semi-auto shotguns, semi-auto rifles, and semi-auto pistols that are allowed for home defense.

When I said no open carry, I meant just carrying in public in general. Hunters are allowed to carry their hunting weapons while out hunting.

U sound more certain of the facts than I am, so
I will defer to your knowledge, but I had been under the impression
that gun possession by the civilian populace was encouraged
and that the way that we have "sandlot baseball" to pass the time,
the Swiss have or had gunnery competitions, with prizes.

I have forgotten more of the (alleged) specifics.