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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 02:01 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

The nra puts guns in the hands of people who dmned well shouldnt have them and impedes any sttempts to keep them out of their hands. Thats why its lostso much support.


Just shows you have NO idea what the NRA does.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 02:04 pm
@McGentrix,
You are never going to provide the truth to these people, they have their propaganda and they are sticking to it. I mean if he can't understand the basic concept that the EC elects the President and not the "popular vote", then we have no chance of explaining the basics of what a civil rights group actually does. They think because Planned Parenthood provides abortions that all civil rights groups provide the service they are trying to "protect".
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 03:58 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Not done for fun

If the motivation for outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto rifles is anything other than the sadistic joy that progressives get from violating people's civil liberties, what is the actual motivation?


MontereyJack wrote:
not violating civil liberties

Unless you can provide a compelling government interest to justify outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto rifles, doing so violates our civil liberties.


MontereyJack wrote:
but to try to curtail the huge violations of civil rights your gunbuddies perpetrate every year

Outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto rifles does not do anything to curtail any civil rights violations.


MontereyJack wrote:
And you self proclaim youre ethical and moral. Hah.

Unlike progressives, I do not think it was OK to frame Scooter Libby for imaginary crimes.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 04:00 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The nra puts guns in the hands of people who dmned well shouldnt have them and impedes any sttempts to keep them out of their hands.

There is no reason to prevent people from having pistol grips on a semi-auto rifle.


MontereyJack wrote:
Thats why its lost so much support.

The NRA is as strong as they've ever been.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 02:18 am
Quote:
A new report on gun violence in the United States highlights the connection between distrust with the police to lower crime reporting and increased vigilante justice.

The report by the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence explores a spike in gun violence in many major American cities between 2014 and 2017 and its connection to police violence and growing distrust between police and the communities they serve.

"This report condenses the leading recent research in the field to explain how cycles of distrust and disengagement fuel cycles of violence," the report's executive summary said.

That wariness leads victims to not report crimes or participate as witnesses in investigations, the report concluded. After high-profile instances of police brutality, 911 calls to law enforcement drop in part of a "cycle of distrust" that makes it harder for police to solve crimes, thus making arrest numbers decline.

"Grieving witnesses and survivors need to be able to rely on their police forces to keep them safe, treat them fairly, and respond to their communities' priorities, or else a desperate few will resort to vigilante violence instead," Ari Freilich, state policy director for the Giffords Law Center, said in a statement.

"But the simple truth is that for millions of Americans, especially communities of colour, the status quo is failing to earn that trust or deliver safety or justice."

One example cited by the report was a 2016 study by Harvard, Yale, and Oxford researchers, which detailed how the Milwaukee beating of 26-year-old Frank Jude by a group of off-duty police officers outside of a party in 2004 lead to a 20 percent drop in emergency calls reporting crimes in the city, despite an increase in violence during the same period.

The researchers found that the number of calls from white neighbourhoods briefly dropped after the incident became public, but soon returned to normal, while the drop in predominantly black neighbourhoods was "large and durable" for more than a year.

The Giffords Law Center report, which explores how gun violence is connected to racial inequality, also highlights several cities, including Camden, New Jersey, Stockton, California, and Minneapolis, Minnesota, where reform has proven effective.

Jesse Jannetta, a senior policy fellow at the Urban Institute whose work is cited by the report, told Al Jazeera the findings highlight "emerging thinking" on how police forces should prioritise trust-building.

"Particularly when you've got a community where levels of violence are high, [trust-building] is rarely one of the first things named in work that needs to be done," said Jannetta. "Often, a lot of the immediate response that comes when there are spikes in violence is a lot of heavy enforcement which, in fact, can exacerbate trust issues where they already exist, and make it harder to build peace and maintain it over a long term."

Highlights on race and violence
Violence continues to disproportionately affect young men in communities of colour, the report said, with violence accounting for 50 percent of the deaths of young black men and boys aged 15 to 24 in the US in 2016 and 20 percent of the deaths of Hispanic men and boys in the same age range during that year. Violence only accounted for 4 percent of deaths of white men and boys aged 15 to 24.

Overall, African American citizens accounted for 51 percent of gun homicide victims nationally from 2010 to 2017, while only accounting for 7 percent of the US population, the report said.


US gun violence: Chicago group aims to stop shootings (2:43)
Furthermore, gun violence in the US continues to happen in concentrated areas. In 2015, more than a quarter of gun homicides happened in city neighbourhoods accounting for just 1.5 percent of the country's entire population.

Nationally, nearly one-third of Americans seriously injured in crimes involving weapons did not report the crime to authorities, the report says, while more than half of homicides of African Americans never led to an arrest, according to a Washington Post investigation cited by the report.

"When the formal justice system is seen as absent, abusive, or ineffective, a small number of individuals are compelled toward violent vigilantism instead," says the report, which cites studies showing that victims of violence are more likely to later perpetrate violence and join street cliques for self-defence.

Because only a small fraction - on average about 0.6 percent of a city's population - are responsible for homicides and non-fatal shootings, the report concluded that police strategies are needed that "treat the remaining 99 percent of the population as victims, witnesses, and critical partners in addressing violent crime, instead of part of the problem".


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/mistrust-police-major-driver-gun-violence-report-200121144502428.html
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 02:22 am
@izzythepush,
If a victim chooses to not contact the police, why is that anyone else's problem?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 01:16 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
A new report on gun violence in the United States highlights the connection between distrust with the police to lower crime reporting and increased vigilante justice.

First you said Al Jazz is where to get news on the ME. Now they are experts on America? Al Jazz is Islamic propaganda and the article blames the police for something the MSM has done. The distrust of the police comes from the overwhelming negative news about the police, not the police themselves.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 09:58 pm
@coldjoint,
The distrust of police comes from seeing what the police have done wrt their communities not what the media say.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 10:26 pm
@MontereyJack,
As I said above, if a victim chooses to not contact the police, why is that anyone else's problem?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 09:16 am
https://twitter.com/jidk1187/status/1228326139283824640
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THREAD. Folks, bear with me for a minute, please. I want to address a point that is often made by gun rights advocates, but which is a fallacy that civilians may not realize. In the interest of full disclosure, I served 30 years in the Army and Army Reserve, I’ve taught
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John Kaminar
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marksmanship in the Army and supervised firing ranges and arms storage/security, and am a gun collector who supports the 2nd Amendment in that I believe that a law abiding citizen has the right to be armed if he or she so chooses, but I also believe that this right – like all of
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John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
our rights – carries with it significant responsibilities. So, my point: we often hear people say that since we trust an 18-year old soldier to carry an M-16 (the military version of the AR-15), then we should be comfortable allowing 18 year old private citizens to carry one.
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John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
But here’s what those folks are NOT telling you: 1) no brand new enlistee in the Army (or any branch of the military) is given a firearm on Day 1 of his/her service. They receive quite a bit of training in firearm safety before they ever are allowed to handle the weapon – even

John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
if they grew up around guns and know all about them. 2) When they do get to handle their M-16s for the first time, there are no bullets ANYWHERE around. After being trained in firearm safety, they are then trained on the weapon itself without ever firing a live round. They

John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
learn how to handle it, carry it safely, disassemble it, clean it, check it for functionality, and reassemble it. 3) When they finally do get to fire the weapon, they are closely, CLOSELY supervised by their sergeants and officers. In fact, when the trainees go to the trainees

John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
go to the firing range for the first time, there are almost as many sergeants on the range as there are trainees. And some of the sergeants are assigned the specific responsibility for ensuring everything is done according to Army safety regulations. 4) Once the recruits

John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
finish their training and join their units, they NEVER get to carry their firearms around. Those weapons are kept in the unit arms room under double lock and key – each weapon is locked into its storage rack and the arms room itself is locked. And the arms room is protected by

John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
an alarm system. 5) No soldier of ANY rank can simply go to the unit armorer (the sergeant responsible for the arms room) and say, “Gee, Sergeant, may I please sign out my M-16? I feel like exercising my 2nd Amendment right today by carrying my rifle around just because I can.”

John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
No, the troops only sign out their weapons for authorized purposes, such as marksmanship training or field exercises, and when they do that, they are ALWAYS under the supervision of a sergeant – usually under the supervision of several sergeants and a few officers, to boot. So,

John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
friends, that’s the rest of that story. Those 18 year old soldiers whom we trust to carry an assault rifle are doing to under conditions so tightly regulated as to make any gun rights activist blanche in anger. The military recognizes that those weapons are so deadly that they

John Kaminar
@jidk1187
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Feb 14
never allow soldiers to just carry them around on the installation. Those are the facts of the matter. So the next time one of your gun rights advocating friends tries to feed you that particular line, you can refute them with the facts.



If a soldier can't just carry firearms around military bases just because they feel like it, why should Joe Public?

coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 09:20 am
@bobsal u1553115,

Quote:

If a soldier can't just carry firearms around military bases just because they feel like it, why should Joe Public?

Stupid rules are stupid rules.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 11:01 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
If a soldier can't just carry firearms around military bases just because they feel like it, why should Joe Public?

Because they have the right to do so.

Hopefully the Supreme Court isn't going to punt on the Second Amendment, and Justice Kavanaugh will soon explain to you why it is wrong for you to violate the Constitution.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 12:16 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
The military recognizes that those weapons are so deadly that they
never allow soldiers to just carry them around on the installation.

Hmm . . .

Does the military allow soldiers to just carry around shotguns on the installation?
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 12:38 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Because only a small fraction - on average about 0.6 percent of a city's population - are responsible for homicides and non-fatal shootings, the report concluded that police strategies are needed that "treat the remaining 99 percent of the population as victims, witnesses, and critical partners in addressing violent crime, instead of part of the problem".


The police deal with crime. The police make the strategy. The report is just more negative propaganda from an Islamic news outlet. It is an attempt to say people that do not do the job know more than the people that do the job. All in all another attempt to discredit the police with academic garbage.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 12:51 pm
Quote:
Gun-free UK: Almost 10,000 gun crimes in a year, with help from Muslim migrants

Quote:
Almost 10,000 gun crimes were committed in a year in the UK, despite the country being known as “gun free” due to its “strictest gun control laws in the world.” Britain has seen gun crimes rise by “27 per cent in five years and the number of firearms seized has quadrupled.”

Gun smuggling combined with the fallout from a suicidal immigration policy are to blame.

Looks like the UK has its own problems. It also illustrates people who want guns to commit crimes, or terror, will get them.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/02/gun-free-uk-almost-10000-gun-crimes-in-a-year-with-help-from-muslim-migrants
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 01:48 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Quote:
Almost 10,000 gun crimes were committed in a year in the UK, despite the country being known as “gun free” due to its “strictest gun control laws in the world.” Britain has seen gun crimes rise by “27 per cent in five years and the number of firearms seized has quadrupled.”
Indeed. And sadly a total of 33 people died as result of those gun crimes.

That's compared to the USA ...?

Reminder: the above quote mentions "UK", but those data were collected by ONS, and they collated the statistics from police forces in England and Wales.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 01:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
That's compared to the USA ...?

How many of those 33 dead had a gun to defend themselves? In other words, **** happens but Americans have a fighting chance. Plus most of the gun deaths come from gangs and inner city crimes. That is a problem the Democratic party is responsible for. Outlaws will always have guns.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 17 Feb, 2020 03:48 pm
@coldjoint,
Most of the guns are from legally buys or one step removed from legal .
Thefts from shows dealers or makers oor thefts from homes with many.
Sturgis
 
  3  
Reply Mon 17 Feb, 2020 03:57 pm
Of course, a few pages of search engine results show the massive number of children ending up dead when one of them accidentally fires a gun.

Not always though. Sometimes they fire the gun and kill a relative or neighbor.

There's really no reason for the average person to have a gun. And sure as hell no reason to have any sort of assault weapons.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 17 Feb, 2020 04:21 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Most of the guns are from legally buys or one step removed from legal.
Thefts from shows dealers or makers or thefts from homes with many.

It's always good to have a strong safe to keep people from stealing your stuff.
 

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