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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 01:39 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

RABEL222 wrote:

And the weak laws that allow these gangs to acquire these guns.


...I'm truly astonished at the inanity of this comment.

Do you think gangs go down to the local gun store and wait for the background check before buying their guns? NO LAW IN THE WORLD will stop these gangs from acquiring illegal guns.

Seriously, what law do you think could exist that would stop them?

A complete stop is unrealistic. A law that would make firearms extremely scarce would achieve a big curb, though.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 01:51 pm
@InfraBlue,
It is unlikely that a law could achieve that, as firearms are easily manufactured clandestinely.

Such a law would be blatantly unconstitutional in any case.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 01:51 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

A complete stop is unrealistic. A law that would make firearms extremely scarce would achieve a big curb, though.


Oh, you are talking about fantasy land! Everyone is rich and good looking too, right?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 01:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
The derogation enjoyed by Switzerland" isn't related at all to shooting clubs.

What is the derogation that Switzerland enjoys?

Former servicemen keeping their service weapons (modified to semi-auto-only) after they retire from service??

At any rate, if the shooting club provisions are not limited to Switzerland, the Czech Republic should have that option available to them as well then. I'm unsure why they find this law so terrible.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 01:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
What you call "inaccurate terminology" is from the argument of Czech Republic [and Hungary and Poland].

These countries actually referred to this law as a "ban on semi-automatic rifles for private use"??

If so, while I did not write to any EU body letting them know that this is inaccurate terminology, I am sure that it was already obvious to them.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 02:16 pm
@oralloy,
It was actually the Czech Republic's "Second Plea", which was divided into two parts. Hungary and Poland argued a bit differently.
It were the main points regarding Directive 2017/853, while the second part of the Second Plea was about ... the inaccurate terminology as you called it.
(It was actually really inaccurate, since the only country that meets those criteria is Switzerland.)
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 02:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
That law as I understand it does not prohibit ownership of semi-automatic rifles.

My understanding of that law is that it merely prohibits inserting a magazine larger than 10* rounds into a semi-auto rifle, unless someone is a member of a shooting club and regularly practices shooting their gun in competitions, in which case they are allowed to use larger magazines.

*20 rounds for handguns
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 04:31 pm
@McGentrix,
You asked about a law, I proposed one.

Why do you consider it fantasy land? Because the gun extremists would be against it? They are a minority that has so far been over-represented and public opinion is turning toward greater gun control.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 05:03 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
You asked about a law, I proposed one.

You did? I only saw a vague comment about making guns extremely scarce.


InfraBlue wrote:
Why do you consider it fantasy land?

Because it is blatantly unconstitutional?

Because it would be about as successful as prohibition was and the war on drugs has been?


InfraBlue wrote:
Because the gun extremists would be against it?

Actually the overwhelming majority of all voters strongly oppose the sorts of draconian gun laws that would be required to make guns extremely scarce.


InfraBlue wrote:
They are a minority that has so far been over-represented and public opinion is turning toward greater gun control.

The NRA's power is real and undiminished.

And so is the Supreme Court's power.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2019 02:44 pm
What counts as a mass shooting? The dangerous effects of varying definitions
Quote:
Shortly after the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, in 2018, the research analyst Marisa Booty was tasked with updating data about mass shootings for the Center for Gun Policy and Research and Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. But while sorting through publicly available data, she found all of the sources defined mass shootings slightly differently.

Now, Booty and her team of researchers are calling on the US government
to establish a consistent definition of mass shootings. In a study published on 3 December, Booty and other researchers analyzed four commonly cited public databases and found that the reported number of mass shootings in 2017 ranged from 11 to 346.

This led to concerns about lobbyists and lawmakers only using the mass shooting data that best matches their individual agenda. The researchers say this inconsistency can slow legislative progress and affect the level of media attention on incidents that don’t meet certain standards.
[...]
“Since a lot of these definitions revolve around persons killed and fatalities, events with nonfatal injuries are easily overlooked in discussion and policy,” Booty says.
[...]
“We hear about high-profile mass shootings that are happening at schools and in churches but a lot of violence in neighborhoods isn’t being as heavily weighted,” Booty says.

“Regardless of the circumstances of the incident, multiple people are being shot and potentially killed, and people are suffering lifelong consequences.”

Besides the number of fatalities and injuries, mass shootings are often distinguished by heavy news coverage that analyzes statistics and theories about what causes these tragedies. But instances of domestic and community violence often don’t receive this level of extensive media attention.

“The news has a big role to play in what we are and aren’t talking and thinking about,” says Pamela Mejia, the head researcher for the Berkeley Media Studies Group. “We can’t solve a problem that we don’t know is happening.”

Booty and her team recommend that the definition of mass shooting should be four or more people, excluding the shooter, who are shot in a single event regardless of the motive, setting, or number of deaths. They hope that the federal government can agree on a consistent definition that researchers and officials can use as the basis of policy recommendations.

“We need to come together and come up with a definition that not necessarily everyone agrees on but will help us better determine the burden that mass shootings are having on the country,” Booty says.


Booty, M., O’Dwyer, J., Webster, D. et al. Describing a “mass shooting”: the role of databases in understanding burden Inj. Epidemiol. 6, 47 (2019) doi:10.1186/s40621-019-0226-7
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2019 02:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
We have a idiot on this site who think a bank robbery was a mass shooting...
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2019 10:34 pm
@Baldimo,
Said the guy who advocates shooting 6, 7, 8, and 9 year old school kids rather than restrict anyones right to buy a weapon that can shoot 30 rounds in 30 seconds.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 14 Dec, 2019 06:38 am
Sometimes (but Not This Time), a Gun Is Just a Gun: Masculinity Threat and Guns in the United States, 1999–2018

Quote:
Today, despite national campaigns and mass shootings, gun sales continue to rise. The majority of gun owners in the United States are men, and prior research has documented the complex relationship between masculinity and gun ownership. However, a majority of the research has remained on the micro level. In this article, we look at the effects of men’s unemployment on gun ownership. Using both national‐ and state‐level Federal Bureau of Investigation background‐check data as well as economic indicators, we find that worsening economic conditions for men (relative to women) lead to increases in gun sales. Moreover, this effect is exacerbated by the prevalence of guns in an area. We supplement these analyses with nationally representative survey data showing a strong relationship between perceptions of threat to men’s gender identities and opposition to laws limiting access to guns.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 15 Dec, 2019 05:42 pm
@hightor,
Emasculation is a huge problem. Time to stop listening to people who specialize in destroying this country. They would be the authors of the bullshit you posted.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 15 Dec, 2019 07:29 pm
@coldjoint,
spoken like a true faux-macho misogynist..
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 15 Dec, 2019 08:31 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
spoken like a true faux-macho misogynist..

No, spoken like concerned citizen who hates to see people buy into that kind of crap. Name calling does not bother me. It shows your inadequacy, I thought you would have figured that out by now.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 15 Dec, 2019 09:04 pm
@coldjoint,
False. It points out faux-macho misogyny, so blatantly obvious.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 15 Dec, 2019 09:08 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
False. It points out faux-macho misogyny, so blatantly obvious.

It is a social theory not proven by anything except what they say proves it. In other words, progressive bullshit.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 15 Dec, 2019 09:28 pm
@coldjoint,
They present evidence. Right wingers hate facts, we know that.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 15 Dec, 2019 09:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
They present evidence.

Evidence to them, not to anyone else but the gullible and the conditioned guilty.
 

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