Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@Baldimo,

It's about the availability of guns; not whether they are single shot or automatic weapons. Automatic weapons are deadlier. https://thefederalist.com/2017/10/02/actual-federal-laws-regulating-machine-guns-u-s/

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@cicerone imposter,

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It's about the availability of guns; not whether they are single shot or automatic weapons. Automatic weapons are deadlier. https://thefederalist.com/2017/10/02/actual-federal-laws-regulating-machine-guns-u-s/

Now you are not being honest, if it was about availablity then they wouldn't use the scary phrase "assault weapon". They would simply use the term semi-auto or sporting rifle, instead they use hyperbolic words to make the guns sound scary and lead more people to want them banned. The average person doesn't understand the difference between the weapons and that blame falls on the anto-gun left and their supporters in the MSM. None of them are honest about the debate, they all lie about the weapons involved, because the truth doesn't work for propaganda purposes.

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@Baldimo,

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"assault rifle" is an emotional word,
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It's also a legal word.
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Federal Assault Weapons Ban
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This article is about the U.S. Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 that expired in 2004. For other assault weapons bans in the U.S., see Assault weapons legislation in the United States.

President Bill Clinton signing the bill into law.
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The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act or Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) was a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a United States federal law which included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms that were defined as assault weapons as well as certain ammunition magazines that were defined as "large capacity".
The 10-year ban was passed by the US Congress on September 13, 1994, following a close 52–48 vote in the US Senate, and was signed into law by US President Bill Clinton on the same day. The ban applied only to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment. Unfortunately, It expired on September 13, 2004, in accordance with its sunset provision.
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S.66 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Assault Weapons Ban of ...
www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/66
Assault Weapons Ban of 2019 This bill makes it a crime to knowingly import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon (SAW) or large capacity ammunition feeding device (LCAFD).

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@cicerone imposter,

No, the left uses it as an emotional word, it isn't a real thing. An assault weapon has a select fire option, AR-15's do not have select fire.

You are going to provide me with a law written by anti-gun leftists with no respect for the Constitution. They made up the word for their law.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Tell that to the families who lost loved ones.

Bring them here and I'll be happy to tell them that they are wrong.

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@oralloy,

Bet you wouldent have the balls to tell them that face to face. Unless of course you had your gun with you.

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@RABEL222,

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Bet you wouldent have the balls to tell them that face to face. Unless of course you had your gun with you.

Why are you ok with lying to people who are suffering? The media and the left can make all the claims they want about guns, but most of the terminology they use is a lie. They make up words to make the guns sound really scary, "military style weapon"? Lots of guns resemble military weapons. Have you ever seen a normal sniper rifle that they use in the Marines and Army? It's a bolt action hunting rifle, do we outlaw those because they are used by the military?

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Fox News Poll: Most back gun restrictions after shootings, Trump ratings down

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Fewer, although still a sizable 67 percent majority, favor banning assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons. That’s up from 60 percent in 2018. Support includes over half of those living in a gun-owner household (53 percent). Over half of independents (58 percent) and an overwhelming majority of Democrats (86 percent) favor a ban. Republicans split 46-46 percent, which is a shift from 2018 when it was 41 favor vs. 56 oppose.

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@Walter Hinteler,

It doesn't really matter how many favor violating people's civil liberties for fun.

The Constitution says no, and the NRA enforces the Constitution.

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Terms are getting confused here. An assault rifle is a military rifle that has the capability of automatic fire. An assault weapon is a weapon fashioned on an assault rifle that has the capability of semiautomatic fire.

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In my opinion, we get all caught up in exact names of weapons. Everybody knows what people 'mean' when they say assault weapons. They mean those big guns that can shoot tons of people in a little amount of time. No one needs that for defense or hunting or collecting unless they are in some kind of compacity which calls for those trained to protect people or the military or something like that.

Personally I am little worried about this red flag background checks I've been hearing about with people following people online or whatever and making some kind of decision to classify people as some kind of group. It will be abused and politicalized.

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@revelette1,

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No one needs that for defense or hunting or collecting unless they are in some kind of compacity which calls for those trained to protect people or the military or something like that.

Americans are not serfs who are only allowed to possess something if we convince our lords that there is a need for us to have it.

We're free people. So long as there is no reason to prevent us from having a certain type of gun, we have the right to have it if we choose to do so, regardless of whether anyone thinks that we need it or not.

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Personally I am little worried about this red flag background checks I've been hearing about with people following people online or whatever and making some kind of decision to classify people as some kind of group. It will be abused and politicalized.

That's why it is necessary for the law to have adequate due process.

The courts will strike it down if it does not.

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@InfraBlue,

Wrong wrong wrong, you are doing the same exact thing as the know nothing media. You can't divorce the term rifle from weapon, to give "assault" different meanings. An assault weapon is an assault rifle and by definition they must have a fire select option. The AR-15 does not meet this standard definition because it only has safe and single fire, no other options available on the AR-15.

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@revelette1,

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In my opinion, we get all caught up in exact names of weapons.

Is this anything like the lame attempt AOC made to claim, people were more worried about being factually correct than morally correct?

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There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.”

So as long as your morals are higher than mine you can lie to get your way? We should be very concerned with the exact name of weapons, the people who don't understand them will use language to make all semi-auto weapons in the US illegal, that includes 6 shot pistols because they are indeed semi-auto handguns. We demand precise language when it comes to gun laws, you leftists will cheat your way to getting rid of the 2nd Amendment is we don't hold you to account for your language on guns.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Wrong wrong wrong, you are doing the same exact thing as the know nothing media. You can't divorce the term rifle from weapon, to give "assault" different meanings. An assault weapon is an assault rifle and by definition they must have a fire select option. The AR-15 does not meet this standard definition because it only has safe and single fire, no other options available on the AR-15.

Your thinking is convoluted here. No one is divorcing the term rifle from weapon. There are specific definitions of the term "assault weapon" especially in regard to legislation, and specifically the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. It covered military style semiautomatic weapons—handguns as well as rifles. The term did not refer to weapons with automatic fire capability at all because those are already regulated under the National Firearms Act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

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@InfraBlue,

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It covered military style semiautomatic weapons

You mean any semiautomatic weapon, right?

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@Glennn,

There were specific definitions under the law.

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@InfraBlue,

Like what?

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@Glennn,

Read the Wikipedia article I linked.

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@InfraBlue,

Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[1][2]

So how does a flash suppressor or pistol grip turn a gun into an assault weapon?

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