@farmerman,
Quote:you got me on the constitution issue .
What's left to discuss?
Quote:I looked into Heller which clearly Identified knives as included under arms. The nunchuk issue wouldnt be applicable anywhere but in the NY district (unless the other side took it higher).
If the ruling was in a Federal District court, wouldn't the ruling apply to all area's in that Federal District?
Quote:My argument remains that guns will kill way more than a knife per attack. WAAY more. "Bringing a knife to a gunfight" is an example of inequivalent units.
I don't see this as a valid reason to limit my Constitutional rights.
Quote:NRA will, I believe, lose more and more of its "political stance begun in the 1970's" .
Unless you have some #'s to back you up, I'm sure the NRA has more members now then it did in the 80's. Over 5 million members!
Quote:I quit the NRA in the mid 80's when it asked for MY money to address industrial output.
Yeah, what were they trying to do, prevent full auto guns from being restricted?
Quote:True , it is a lobby, but its a lobby of an industry that does not welcome anything but a deadly way of marketing its product.
Don't confuse the NSSF with the NRA, lots of you anti-gun people seem to do that.
Quote:The comparison to Planned Parenthood is invalid. PP celebrates CHOICE on the birth control issue. Anti-Choice as a way of dealing with "Planning" is more like NRA's mantras.
It is very valid, when the subject of abortion comes before any governing body, you can bet your ass PP is right there defending it. If they can lobby for the death of unborn infants, then surly the NRA can lobby for the right to protect ones self and not be killed.
Quote:Im a multi gun owner but do not see why we protect clowns , nutz, and future terrorists, using a single hazy phraase in a 200+ year old document.
1 hazy phrase? Shall not infringe is not hazy, it's pretty clear. Which clowns are being protected and which furture terrorists? If you refer to people with mental issues or people for unknown reasons being placed on the no fly list, then I can't help you. No one is sure why people were placed on the DNFL, there is no transparancy and no indication you are on the list until you try to fly. Linking the no fly list to a no gun list is the epotimie of a lack of transparancy. We expect more out of our govt.
Quote:I hope we see the "bump stock" defined as deadly as other dangerous weapons and add-ons,
Which add-on's do you see as dangerous? Pistol grips and adjustable stocks? I didn't think the bump stock was dangerous, just stupid. In my opinion it's a waste of ammo and money.
Quote:and that we control large capacity clips and eliminate doctor-able semi-autos for more rapid fire by simple workshop tricks.
Clips, come on I thought you were a gun guy?
Who defines large capacity magazines? The industry standard was 30 round mags and usually you go by the industry standard for such things.
Did you know it was also already illegal to modify a semi-auto to be a full auto, it seems some of the things you want are already law.
Since you don't know the difference between a clip and a magazine, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with you deciding our gun laws.
Quote:Id also like to see limits of straw purchases, number of gun purchases per month by non- dealers, gun show purchases to skirt the rules about constructing a dangerous weapon from "unrelated dealers" .
Heller set a plane that says we can meet the Constitution and still keep firearms within the realm of sanity
It's things like this that make me doubt your gun law knowledge, you already tried to pull a fast one a bunch of months ago with the lie about the gun show loophole, and Straw purchases are already illegal.
Your version of sanity for firearms is already far different than mine.
Quote:I consider myself a responsible gun owner and user and Ive noted that more folks whove got little knowledge and field experience with guns or whove not used a weapon as defense are the ones who dance around in support of an unsustainable position on guns.
I don't think you have as much gun knowledge as you think you do, you called a magazine a clip, didn't know straw purchases were already illegal and also didn't know that modifying your semi-auto to be full auto is also illegal.
It seems the ones with the least knowledge about guns call for the most restrictive gun laws and when that lack of knowledge is pointed out, we get called names, like terrorists or murderer.
Quote:Like one of your kind who rants on about eliminating people who are of a political party that he disagrees with. He will pepper me with mindless bumper stickers that deny my own civil rights to LIFE because Im not buying his bullshit. That I consider dangerous AND
seditious . Wouldnt you??
I think there are people on both sides of the aisle who have said such things. O'rally and RedRex come to mind as opposite ends of the spectrum, I think both posters are wrong and I typically ignore such posts from them as I see no real threat from them.
