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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
Blickers
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2018 03:42 pm
@glitterbag,
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CJ seems to believe he absolutely must post after everyone, as if he is part of the conversation. It’s a technique used by miserable old grouches who are complelled to halt conversations. Some people call it Buzz-kill and sometimes Debbie Downer.

I just put him on Ignore. His technique is similar to NFL linemen who cannot legally hit the QB after he lets go of the ball, so they slow down and just bump him after the QB releases it as if they couldn't completely stop their momentum.

It doesn't look like much, but over the course of the game those light bumps add up and also plant into the QB's head the idea that he will always get hit when he throws the ball, even if it's a light bump. Negative reinforcement is the principle. The more you make something negative, the less someone is likely to do it-in this case, having someone from "the other side" making a point.

The Ignore function was developed to help that, and I find it raises my level of enjoyment here remarkably.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2018 03:47 pm
@Blickers,
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I just put him on Ignore. His technique is similar to NFL linemen who cannot legally hit the QB after he lets go of the ball, so they slow down and just bump him after the QB releases it as if they couldn't completely stop their momentum.

Is it policy here to attack someone on the forum? There are private messages. You people claim to be all that and continue to show just how petty you are. It is no wonder with all the hypocrisy and virtue signaling you can not manage to respect different opinions because you are intolerant fools.

Demeaning a poster has nothing to do with any topic. You have made this site toxic.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2018 07:23 pm
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Colo. Teachers Undergo Gun Training To Enhance Student Safety At Schools

Doing something is better than nothing.
http://www.oann.com/colo-teachers-undergo-gun-training-to-enhance-student-safety-at-schools/
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2018 08:29 pm
@Blickers,
It is a lot more enjoyable when you keep a few on ignore. It could be stimulating if some of these folks could skip the knee jerk reaction of just useless negativity and derision. But, so many folks are in a bunker mentality like folks who absolutely will defend their team no matter what. Unfortunately many have forgotten that we are citizens of the same country (yes, I know we have many members who are not Americans....but those folks are not trying to tear our democracy apart)

It was interesting to see CJ post immediately after your post and complain about incivility. And maybe he's right, however, I don't like to say things about someone behind their back. Never been a big fan of sneaky or duplicitous.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2018 08:56 pm
@glitterbag,
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Never been a big fan of sneaky or duplicitous.

I thought you liked Democrats.
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have forgotten that we are citizens of the same country

You certainly have.
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to tear our democracy apart)

Why tear it when you can unravel it until it breaks. That is what has been going on and it is going to stop for at least another six years.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2018 11:30 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

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https://i.imgur.com/xq4qN4F.jpg


Quote McGentrix:
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Wil Wheaton is a well known liberal's liberal and a bit of a weenie who can't accept any other world view than the the one beaten into his head from the west coast liberal mouth pieces he has surrounded himself with.

In other words, you have no specific rejoinder to the post so you simply throw on a generic one-size-fits-all criticism of the other side to make yourself feel good that you said something back.


A long, long time ago... Wheaton also ran a forum that was much like this one. Full of liberals celebrating their liberalism and all things Clinton. There were a small handful of conservative posters, much like A2K, that would represent what was actually happening in America, much like here as well, and Will was generous enough to offer a platform to allow us our say. Much like RG does here. I often times had the pleasure to go one-on-one with him discussing various topics. He is single minded in his liberalism. There is no other way but the leftist way.

For him to come out now, and suggest that a Nazi propagandist and Trump are responsible for what happened in Annapolis is beyond insane. Even for him.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 07:06 am
@McGentrix,
Why do you think it's insane?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 07:34 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Why do you think it's insane?


You're a big fan of the butterfly effect?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 10:17 am
@McGentrix,
You think hate speech never led to murder?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 10:46 am
@Olivier5,
Because the shooting didn't happen for the reasons WW thinks they did. Who he was and why he did it were known before a majority of Americans were ready for bed that night. To continue to think there is some form of link to either Trump or Milo "the Nazi Laughing " wold be insane.

Lets not forget the hate talk from the left against the GOP for the last couple of years and then the attempted assassination of GOP members of Congress at a baseball practice about a year ago by a Bernie Bro.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/congressman-steve-scalise-shot-alexandria-virginia-park-n772111

Lets also not forget the guy who purchased more than a dozen Chick-fil-a sandwiches and planned on placing them on the dead bodies of people at the Family Research Council.
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/what-we-know-about-family-research-council-shooting-suspect/324640/

What's insane is the blatant MSM bias on the coverage of violent protests. This weekend there was a violent clash again with Antifa and what the media is calling a "right-wing group". What they fail to mention is that Antifa is a far left-wing group. The "right-wing" group had a permit to hold their rally/march and the police failed again to protect the Rights of a group to legally assemble by canceling their permit. They didn't disperse the violent thugs of Antifa, they dispersed the permit holding crowd.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/defend-pdx-patroit-prayer-portland-clash-today-2018-06-30/



coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 11:18 am
@Olivier5,
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You think hate speech never led to murder?

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Consider the elements that define hate speech:

Drawing a distinction between one’s own identity group and those outside it

Moral comparison based on this distinction

Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the personal superiority of one's own

The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership

A call to violence against members of other groups


Sadly, and despite the best intentions of many decent people who are Muslim, the Quran qualifies as hate speech on each count.

Sure hate speech has led to murder. Many times and daily.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/quran-hate.aspx
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 02:24 pm
@Baldimo,
It's perfectly logical to assume that hate speech against the press can trigger these sorts of murders. Some people may take what the Conman in Chief says seriously, you know?
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 03:06 pm
@Baldimo,
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You are saying we should ban a gun because of how it looks...
Yup. Not just that, but that alone is reason enough.

Quote Baldimo:
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Since semi-auto rifles can only fire one bullet with every trigger squeeze,
Not just about trigger squeezes. It's also about looks.

News flash: We can ban something because of how it looks. For instance, in Florida you can suffer criminal penalties, not just civil, for building a residential pool without a fence or approved pool cover. Why? The pool is too attractive to some people, they might jump in and drown. Even if the person swimming did not have permission to even be on the property, let alone use the pool, the homeowner is criminally liable if they fail to install protections from people entering his property illegally and using his pool.

Same thing with a semiauto rifle that looks like a military assault rifle. We are finding out more and more that they are too attractive to mentally deranged people to commit crimes with, so these rifles must be made illegal.

Once again, the difference between you and me is that I want to put as much difficulty as possible in the way of a mentally deranged person getting his hands on the weapon that feeds his fantasy of going out in a big Blaze Of Glory taking as many innocents as possible with him, and you don't.
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 03:19 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
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Tell that to the dead people who were killed by a mass shooter and didn't use a semi-auto rifle,
Mass shootings using assault-style semiautomatic rifles are accelerating. We must brake this momentum by making these rifles illegal.

You seem to be saying that as long as it's inevitable that some people will be killed somewhere by some weapon, we have no right to eliminate any weapons at all. I hope the people reading your posts are understanding that. At least you are being honest about your insane position.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 03:20 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

It's perfectly logical to assume that hate speech against the press can trigger these sorts of murders. Some people may take what the Conman in Chief says seriously, you know?


Can? Yes. Did? No way.

Wheaton is out of line with that ****.
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 03:25 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote McGentrix:
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Wheaton also ran a forum that was much like this one. Full of liberals celebrating their liberalism and all things Clinton. There were a small handful of conservative posters, much like A2K, that would represent what was actually happening in America, much like here as well, and Will was generous enough to offer a platform to allow us our say. Much like RG does here. I often times had the pleasure to go one-on-one with him discussing various topics. He is single minded in his liberalism. There is no other way but the leftist way.
You are entitled to your opinion of what constitutes single-mindedness. However, as I recall you are the poster who some months ago said he doesn't hold it against Russia for interfering in our elections because they showed us it was possible to do so. So your idea of what constitutes far right, far left and normal might not correspond to most people's idea of them. Especially normal.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 03:32 pm
@Blickers,
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Yup. Not just that, but that alone is reason enough.

No it isn't, it's a weak reason with no justification.

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Not just about trigger squeezes. It's also about looks.

Oh, scary looking things must be banned.

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News flash: We can ban something because of how it looks. For instance, in Florida you can suffer criminal penalties, not just civil, for building a residential pool without a fence or approved pool cover.

What does that have to do with looks? Is the site of an uncovered pool that distressing to people?

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Why? The pool is too attractive to some people, they might jump in and drown. Even if the person swimming did not have permission to even be on the property, let alone use the pool, the homeowner is criminally liable if they fail to install protections from people entering his property illegally and using his pool.

You botched this whole thing. Those rules were passed for child safety, a few too many inattentive parents let their children drown and now everyone has to be regulated...

Besides, it is a weak argument to compare guns, which are a Constitutional Right, to a pool which isn't a Constitutional item. I know, that pesky Constitution keeps getting in your way of banning guns.

BTW, it is BS that homeowners can be held liable for people doing things on their property, when they had no right to be on their property. This is the same type of BS that allows people who break into people's homes to sue them for damage or injury...

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Same thing with a semiauto rifle that looks like a military assault rifle.

Are we banning assault pools now as well? I mean do they look scary compared to a normal pool?

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Of course, most of these do come in an automatic version for the military anyway and that capability is removed at the factory, but no matter.

Do you know how uninformed you sound when you say things like this? There is no "removing" anything at the factory. Do you really think that many gun manufactures are selling guns to the military? Really think about that one? Some small business owner who manufactures his own AR-15's is selling anything to the military? The argument doesn't fit the facts or logic.

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Even if a company made only semiauto rifles that physically resembled assault rifles, they can and should be made illegal. This is because of the rising trend in the use of these assault styled semi-automatic in the use of mass shootings which is accelerating year by year.

Do you even understand current govt regulations on weapons manufactures? No you don't, it's the only thing which allows you to say such silly things.

The majority of mass shootings are not done with the AR-15, the majority of mass shootings are done with weapons other than semi-auto rifles. 5 people dead from a shotgun at a newspaper...

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Once again, the difference between you and me is that I want to put as much difficulty as possible in the way of a mentally deranged person getting his hands on the weapon that feeds his fantasy of going out in a big Blaze Of Glory taking as many innocents as possible with him, and you don't.

You don't care about the mental health of the shooters, your aim is clear, ban guns because you don't like them or they look scary.

I'm all for limiting access to mentally deranged people, but disarming the American public won't help those people, it will only turn them into victims just like those kids who are trapped in "gun free zones", we will all become victims of violence thanks to someone who likes to virtue signal.

Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 03:37 pm
@Blickers,
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Mass shootings using assault-style semiautomatic rifles are accelerating. We must brake this momentum by making these rifles illegal.

No it isn't. The last 2 big shootings were done with shotguns and not semi-auto rifles.

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You seem to be saying that as long as it's inevitable that some people will be killed somewhere by some weapon, we have no right to eliminate any weapons at all.

I'm saying we shouldn't leave people to be victims to deranged people. I encourage people to own guns for their own defense. When someone's kicking down your door, the police are only 10 minutes away, by national average... The SCOTUS has already ruled that the police have no obligation to actually protect you, and a majority of police forces encourage citizens to be armed because the police can't always get there in time.

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I hope the people reading your posts are understanding that. At least you are being honest about your insane position.

No the insane position is not allowing people to defend themselves, you want everyone to be a victim so you can feel as if you've done something important and rid the US of the 2nd Amendment.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 03:43 pm
@McGentrix,
It remains unclear why you think so, other than denial of an inconvenient idea.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 04:11 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Why do you think it's insane?
How about because the motives of the shooter are known and Trump had nothing to do with it?
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